Shag week

I think there are elements that are massively important. So many 18 year olds will have lived sheltered lives and may want to seek information on all of those topics, also 'sex work' is so fluid in its meaning now with so many young students using only fans or similar sites to fund studies.

I think the education some of those events will provide will be very very useful. I can't personally see the anal 101 class attended by anyone taking it seriously, perhaps a few teens going for 'a laugh'

Based on that content, I'm a bit worried about the live episodes...

This is the, now quite common, tactic of coupling useful, common sense information sharing about safe sex etc with more outlandish, shock-factor, less socially acceptable discussion like 'bottoming', all sugar coated with 'sex positivity'.

You have to ask yourself, who benefits?For example, we know women don't benefit from anal sex like men do because women don't have orgasms through anal sex so you have to wonder how centring men's pleasure (and women's subordination) benefits women?

One question for the Dildo Quiz, will the men be using them?

Maybe I'm an old prude too. There will be some 17 year olds, male and female, on campus, anyone who skipped Transition Year

I am shocked and saddened that Women's Aid have allowed themselves to be associated with this event.

Maura Darragh is NOT a woman despite the name.

Veda is not a woman despite the name.

"Fast Sex" for men's benefit seems to be the drive behind all these themed weeks, get youngsters drinking to excess, "consent" becomes blurred.

This is the, now quite common, tactic of coupling useful, common sense information sharing about safe sex etc with more outlandish, shock-factor, less socially acceptable discussion like 'bottoming', all sugar coated with 'sex positivity'.

Another sneaky tactic. Thanks for pointing it out, Ohholy. Sunlight is what’s needed.

I despair that in Ireland we have jumped from the doctrine of right wing misogyny and control right over to a new doctrine of left wing misogyny and control. Still as much of the same old misogyny as there ever was.

The only thing that really gives me hope is that there really are some genuinely nice and well brought up teens and young adults out there too who seem to be reasonably well adjusted in spite of these attempts at indoctrination. I work with that age group and I have generally extremely positive daily interactions with them ….though obviously I thankfully know nothing of their sexual expectations.

This idea that being a (female) student inevitably involves thinking about selling sex or sexual services (like pictures, webcams) is really quite unnerving. To the point that it is one of the main events highlighted in this "fest".

I'd be super pleased if my daughter's uni covered all this stuff. Better informed and armed, than naive and vulnerable. Well, more vulnerable.

The only thing I don't see on there and wish I saw in more places, was safe sex for lesbians. I'm probably just shit at this sort of thing, but it was difficult for me to source dental dams to help me help my teenager feel supported.

It seems very male centred.

I read it as very female centred - pregnancy, abortion, lube, dildos, saying no to anal sex, sex work etc is all aimed at females.

The wording sounds like it’s going to be a fun party but that’s why they’re doing it to encourage as many young people to come as possible.

If they have fun whilst they’re learning something valuable then great.

They can’t list everything they’re going to go through. And they have mentioned consent and contraception above.

The events - anal sex and sex work - will absolutely talk about consent and coercion. That will probably be their main focus.

Sex work is very common in female uni students but it’s not spoken very often.

I highly doubt the anal sex event will be just about anal sex but they have to grab their attention and encourage them to come.

@WonderfulYou

"Sex work is very common in female uni students but it’s not spoken very often."

Is it? How common? Why only female students, and should this be something that is welcomed or is a concern wrt those students and their university experience?

Sex work is very common in female uni students but it’s not spoken very often.

I wonder why that is...

Nothing on clitoral stimulation and the female orgasm.

Nothing on female erogenous zones.

I imagine anything on 'sex work' will cover how to do it 'safely', maybe there will be printed booklets with reminders to carry condoms or a practical demonstration of how to get out of a choke hold.

Again, with anal sex workshop will be how to do it 'safely' with lubricant as it's all 'sex positive'.

I despair about universities, increasingly I don't think they are a 'safe place' for young people (freedom of thought, freedom of speech) and far less so for young women. I would steer young women away from them to be honest.

If getting a degree means you have to be penetrated - to be cool, to pay for annual fees, to eat - then it's a no from me.

I despair about universities, increasingly I don't think they are a 'safe place' for young people (freedom of thought, freedom of speech) and far less so for young women. I would steer young women away from them to be honest

Honestly the mums (?) replying saying how great for their daughters to have this information just do not realise what university campuses have become for young women. The casual misogyny, sexism, and objectification of women has become normalised, acceptable and utterly rampant. Underlying this is often anger against women. Where this is coming from I don’t know. But I despair at this ‘jokey’ but harmful SU’s email as much as I despair at some of these PPs comments and apparent willingness to throw young women under the bus.

Interesting that this Graun article came up today…Makes for sobering reading

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/02/it-stopped-me-having-sex-for-a-year-why-generation-z-is-turning-its-back-on-sex-positive-feminism

Sex work is very common in female uni students but it’s not spoken very often

Absolute rubbish.

This stuff is such bs.

Even the basic stuff on consent and birth control - I appreciate that their intentions are good, but I remember sitting through that kind of thing when I first was at university and god it was awful. I would have loved to just have a flyer pointing me to the sexual health clinic if I needed it.

One of the things that bothers me about this stuff is that it gives students the impression that they really ought to be thinking about all this, trying to get laid all the time, wanting to experiment with all kinds of things. Otherwise they are sex negative, and obviously that must be lame, or even bad, right?

It sets up a bad dynamic right from the get go.

This seems an appropriate share.

I agree that;

"University of Leicester....toolkit is in effect a grooming kit"

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2022/01/22/nordic-model-now-delivers-leicester-student-sex-work-petition/

"Katie then stepped forward and, in a slightly shaky voice, said that that’s what happened to her when she was at university, because sex work was so normalised and she’s still bearing the consequences now, five years later. Pears and Cavendish were silent – as if shocked or unable to speak. Katie took another step forward and reiterated her point and repeated what she said, to which one of them replied, “Yes, we’ve heard you.”

That's their response? Do they sound like people who understand the suffering Katie went through?

And this...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/02/it-stopped-me-having-sex-for-a-year-why-generation-z-is-turning-its-back-on-sex-positive-feminism?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other&fbclid=IwAR0A97SscgbHO-aWxiWeq68EIsUIU006CU6oC9F1zM-oBpAuNON3XbmdCoE

I would guess that lesbian sex and anything else specifically related to female bodies gets left out because transwomen would object to it excluding them.

No, sex work is not extremely common among students in Dublin. It's a fringe activity, although certain groups are pushing extremely hard to encourage and normalise it. Why, and who's does it benefit? Not the young female students.

As an 18 years old I would have thought them perverts. I still do

“Sex work is very common in female uni students but it’s not spoken very often."

I’d question going to university in the first place then.

So the 'hosts' are 2 gay men and a drag queen? talking to 18 year olds about "sex work, anal", sexual health and dildos and ???

Doesn't seem to feature women / lesbians in any way? What a surprise.

Events run by men for men. With a donation going to womens aid as a sop to stop women complaining. I looked at the DCU sexual health link. It's woeful:

The word women doesn't appear once.

They talk about gay male sex and heterosexual sex but not lesbian sex.

They talk about every single kind of STI but there is zero mention of the fact that women present very differently than men with an STI. Often it's symptomless.

There two men doing the live podcast run an HIV podcast. Young women are very very unlikely to get HIV.

Events run by men, for men. With some forced teaming and grooming thrown in for good measure.

If my daughter was at this university, I would pull her out.