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Looks like this could be added to "Invisible Women"

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SapatSea · 04/01/2022 17:31

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/04/women-more-likely-die-operation-male-surgeon-study

Women 32% more likely to die if operated on by a man rather than a woman (large study). 18% more likely to have post surgery complications.

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PiglingBlonde · 06/01/2022 07:39

Purely anecdotal but a female friend of mine used to be an orthopaedic surgeon (hands and feet!) and left - now a SAHM. Her husband's job paid more but involved long hours and travel and her job was completely incompatible with anything other than a very full time live in nanny. She said it just broke her when she realised she'd only seen her children awake for one day in a month due to the hours she'd been working. They couldn't give more flexibility at her trust so she left.

I think medicine is still very much geared round the 'only one working parent' approach and that has a disproportionate impact on women when they have children.

butnobodytoldme · 19/01/2022 20:38

More or Less on Radio 4 is normally reputable, but in this case they whitewashed this finding today. They suggested there must be some other explanation, for instance all the men surgeons were doing more difficult operations due to being senior.

1.3 million results showed if a woman operates on a man or a woman there is no difference in outcome including death, re-admission or any other measure. Women surgeons' results prove they do not discriminate. The seniority and experience or competence of each of the women surgeon are the same when her patients are men or women, and the results are the same.

1.3 million results showed if a man operates, he discriminates against women patients. He may be good or bad, experienced or novice, but he produces better measured results for his fellow men, and worse measured results for the despised sub-humans, women.

It was shocking that More or Less produced an (all male) sneering dismissal. They chose to ignore the content and the significant finding, picking instead on a tabloid headline that men surgeons kill more women patients. That was the tabloid headline, not the 1.3 million survey. The tabloid headline was open to being 'explained away', because the total deaths in the operations looked at were fairly low. More or Less flatly rejected even looking at the significant part, that women surgeons don't discriminate but men do.

Women including surgeons treat men and women equally. Men including surgeons despise women and treat them badly, contemptuously, and dangerously, while treating fellow men respectfully and well. The proof is there, 1.3 million times over.

That can't be true. Nothing to see here. Must be a false or misleading or insignificant or easily explained-away nonsense, says More or Less.

This comes after Baroness Cumberledge (barely reported) and on the same day as the Times reported the onset of a MeToo of women surgeons reporting sexual power abuse by senior surgeons threatening to ruin their careers. The reader comments confirmed this widespread generations old and continuing habit.

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