Feminism: chat
crimbobobs · 23/12/2021 15:00
Yes Santa was a dame. Completely bizarre. The whole show was self indulgent nonsense aimed at making adults laugh when it's a show specifically billed for under 12s. I took my 5yo this morning and wanted to walk out but didn't want to upset him.
At one point the reindeer was clutching jumping on a chair clutching her fanny saying "the baby's coming out". There was no baby in the story, and no need to be clutching her fanny in front of a load of children.
HoardingSamphireSaurus · 23/12/2021 15:06
Nope. That never happened. You know it didn't because, because, because, because, because, bacaaaaaaaaaaaause ... 😏
Well, it just didn't. Cos that would be weird and inappropriate in front of kids and that never, ever happens.
Why was a reindeer clutching her fanny? What baby? Was the reindeer in drag too? What the hell did you buy tickets for?
So many questions.
crimbobobs · 23/12/2021 15:08
https://www.tron.co.uk/shows/olive-the-other-reindeer/
It was this show. I definitely didn't think it was going to be inappropriate when I bought tickets!
The reindeer wasn't in drag. There was no baby at all which is why I was confused about the fanny clutching and shouting that the baby was coming 
crimbobobs · 23/12/2021 15:14
Some people on Facebook saying they really enjoyed it. I wonder if anyone complained.
I thought about it but I imagine they'd be sitting in their office calling me a Karen so there's no point. We just won't go back which is a shame as it was my go to theatre.
🤔virtuallyanass · 23/12/2021 15:53
I just went to a Christmas panto and DS 5 saw a poster for Rocky Horror and said that's my favourite song 
( the time warp, thanks Apple Music for kids Halloween songs) So I wouldn't worry it goes over kids heads. Lots of shows have adult content and jokes.
Ps is it ok to take a 5 year old to Rocky horror ?
HoardingSamphireSaurus · 23/12/2021 17:34
Reading some of the reviews the post modernism of Santa being Mrs Santa is increased many fold by then also being a drag queen.
You and I just aren't hip/woke/open minded enough, OP.
Somewhere along the line taking a kids Christmas film and presenting it in semi panto style, with more adult focus, has forgotten the kid based Christmas focus. The desire to be cutting edge wins out. S'alright to to that, but not whilst still selling it as family fun, panto stylee.
Then again I am becoming more and more anti drag these days. Quite a separate thing from panto dames and principal boy of the age old, traditional theatre cross dressing amusement.
SantaClawsServiette · 23/12/2021 20:40
There's a drive to be innovative all the time in the arts, and at the moment it is in high form. So no one can just do a traditional version of whatever. And things being what they are, the innovation has to be built around identity elements.
So I have been seeing a lot of theater productions with cross-sex casting (they say sex-blind, but give me a break, they are doing it quite purposefully.) And drag queens are big too. So, Presto!, combine them and you have an exciting innovative panto!
Heruka · 23/12/2021 20:47
I don’t like drag either but as I sat in my panto with the dame in drag, I thought ‘here is a place where this is ok’ - I think because it is such an age old tradition, and also because this dame was making jokes about not really being a woman and they were jokes for the adults. The whole thing would go over my young childrens heads, I think they’d have thought him a woman if I asked them.
Drag queens reading stories to kids and being called sexualised names, that’s different.
MsGrumpytrousers · 24/12/2021 10:44
@crimbobobs
Yes, I don't like drag anyway. It's just men making fun of women.
Write and tell them! Tell them it wasn't suitable for the advertised audience. Tell them why you object to drag. Tell them how many times you've been there in the past and that you're not going again.
These people live in a bubble and need to hear other points of view. A theatre local to me has a drag show for kids and I wrote to them about it. Even one voice raised in concern might make a difference.
Sorry you had a bad experience - it sounds grim.
HalfHolly · 24/12/2021 10:51
This is on the online programme OP
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