Impressed with the Duchess of Cornwell

[ChampagneCommunist]

Good on her for speaking at this event and therefore bringing it to the attention of a section of the public that would follow royal news, but not necessarily feminist news.

www.tatler.com/article/camilla-and-carrie-bond-over-baby-bump-at-shameless-festival

Surprised not more comments about this. Is there another thread and if so, where?

Locked horns with DP about this earlier when hearing it reported on the radio. I questioned whom she was addressing when saying "We need to bring the men in our lives on board (I paraphrase)...", feeling like it should not be encumbent on women to engage men in any kind of consciousness-raising concerning violence against women and girls. It's a man-problem, and men can jolly well educate themselves without women having to do the emotional grunt work for them or coaxing and cajoling them along. It's enough having to live with it permeating virtually all spheres of my life. DP disagreed, feeling it was an inclusive statement and that it would be supportive and constructive for both men and women to work together. In theory, perhaps, but I'm sure I'm not the only one so sick to the back teeth of male violence in society and would love to see men stepping up as leaders in the clean-up of their own mess.

You could leave men to educate themselves but as many men don't seem to have done so, it seems like a failed strategy. I'm a believer in telling people what you want and how you want to be treated rather than saying nothing and them complaining because they didn't treat you the right way.
So I'm team Camilla.

You could leave men to educate themselves but as many men don't seem to have done so, it seems like a failed strategy. I'm a believer in telling people what you want and how you want to be treated rather than saying nothing and them complaining because they didn't treat you the right way.

I agree.

I agree that because it's the Duchess of Cornwall, there are people who will read what she said who would not have read a similar speech made by a campaigner. I think the Duchess of Cornwall has also met women who have experienced domestic abuse and spoken out about that too.

As an aside, I was surprised thar Tatler referred to Carrie Symonds rather than Carrie Johnson when she has chosen to use the name Johnson. My stereotyped idea of Tatler is that there were people employed to get titles right but perhaps that only applies to Dukes and Duchesses!

@nettie434 Tatler is my guilty pleasure, but the editing on the website is atrocious. I want to go through with a red pen and correct it all!

Oh no! My illusions are shattered, ChampagneCommunist. At least Tatler covered the speech. It felt as though she was as forthright as she could be in her position.

What a shame the article headline was "Camilla and Carrie bond over baby bump at Shameless! Festival" rather than "Duchess makes passionate speech calling for an end to violence against women".

Great to see Camilla adding her name to the cause, though!

There was another thread not sure which board but an fwr one.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4386625-check-out-this-daily-mail-headline

The Duchess was wearing a Women of the World Foundation (WOW) badge, which is er, interesting

For readers who do not know about the WOW project their website is enlightening

"If you identify as a woman or know a woman, WOW is for you"
Jude Kelly (founder)

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210814172235/thewowfoundation.com/about-wow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210814172235/thewowfoundation.com/about-wow

Their code of conduct is, er, also interesting

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210813204813/thewowfoundation.com/code-of-conduct" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210813204813/thewowfoundation.com/code-of-conduct

I suspect that the Duchess desires to convey the impression that she is kind, progressive and open minded. She very well may be, but it seems to me that the WOW Foundation is gaslighting women with its strange codes of conduct. And its name.

Thanks for the links, hoodathunkit. How weird - WOW prioritises marginalised and vulnerable people’s safety.

Er, that’ll be women then? Like needing single-sex spaces? Oh no - we have to include males if they want to be in. Even though we are encouraged to state our boundaries and have them respected.

What a muddle. And one that generally undermines women’s rights.

What a muddle. And one that generally undermines women’s rights.

Yes, that's how it looks to me. Possibly a well-meaning muddle but a muddle nonetheless. Lots of their rules in the code of conduct seem perfectly reasonable, but some seem completely counterproductive to women.

I also have concerns about the below event;

Are sex and social distancing unnatural bedfellows? From having more to wanting more, and from doing it yourself to abstaining completely - we have brought together some of the greatest minds, researchers and global sexperts to discuss how life under lockdown has impacted our sex lives.

Speakers include writer and campaigner Lucy-Anne Holmes, author of Women on Top of the World - all about what women think about during sex; Nana Darkoa Sekyiamah, co-founder of the Adventures from the Bedrooms of African Womenand the forthcoming bookThe Sex Lives of African Women(Dialogue Books); and performer, playwright and poet Dr Jessi Parrott.

Chaired by broadcaster and founder of Stance podcast Chrystal Genesis. All ticket buyers will receive a very special preview of Nana's new book The Sex Lives of African Women after the event.

Lucy-Anne Holmes is a writer, actress and campaigner living in Sussex. She is the author of three previous novels which were published in ten countries, and of Don't Hold My Head Down, her funny and eye-opening personal sexual odyssey. Lucy-Anne was also the founder of the No More Page 3 campaign to convince the owners and editors of The Sun newspaper to cease its Page 3 feature, which showed photos of topless models. The newspaper withdrew this feature as a result of the movement. When she is not working on Women on Top of the World, Lucy-Anne is on a training course to become a sacred sexual priestess.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210310121031/thewowfoundation.com/events/sex-in-lockdown" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210310121031/thewowfoundation.com/events/sex-in-lockdown

Anyone cognisant with global trends in sex trafficking and with false memory therapies will be alarmed by this.

No criticism of Lucy-Anne Holmes , she may well be a well meaning person and a good person. Unfortunately many well meaning, good people get groomed, radicalised and exploited in disgusting ways within the Goddess Temple Movement as so called “sacred sexual priestesses”.

some relevant links;
Archive of now removed article in the Phoenix New Times
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110218034424/www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2011-02-17/news/feature/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20110218034424/www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2011-02-17/news/feature/

Important discussion with many links to videos and news articles (some archived, some removed, I have downloads of the videos)
www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3435.0
More recent news piece, less skeptical in tone than the removed original piece
www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-trouble-with-sex-why-phoenix-goddess-temple-founder-insists-shes-a-priestess-not-a-prostitute-8213397

archive of discussion on pagan blog about the Temple / brothel raids - very interesting
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111110075856/www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/09/phoenix-goddess-temple-raided-by-police.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20111110075856/www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/09/phoenix-goddess-temple-raided-by-police.html

Anyway, re the WOW website promoting a woman who is training as a “sacred sexual priestess”, due diligence is needed, as always, but seems in short supply.

I have concentrated on providing links re a Goddess Temple training and exploiting "sacred sexual priestesses" in the USA. There are such organisations here in the UK, I do not wish to advertise them here for obvous reasons.

There are "tantric temples" and "goddess temples" all over the UK.

Not all people involved in goddess temples are criminals, obviously. However criminals do operate via such organisations and they take an interest in all such organisations and infiltrate them.

They are cause for extreme concern.

The link to the archive of the pagen blog disucssion does not work properly in my earlier post

I included it because it reflects a broad range of opinons from within the pagan community, starting with many posters opining that the "temple" raids are evidence of prejudice against the pagan community and sexual minorities. Then posters who are pagan but skeptical of this position and who know about women being exploited offer their opinion.

To read the posts of various people it is probably best to go to the pain archive page for the bog page here

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111101000000*/www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/09/phoenix-goddess-temple-raided-by-police.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20111101000000*/www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/09/phoenix-goddess-temple-raided-by-police.html

and to see which archive loads the most comments

I think it is important to understand the variety of views within the pagan communities on this subject

Personally I have no problem at all with an appreciation of the feminine aspects of the divine

I am appalled by the appropriation of this movement by new age charlatans and serious organised criminals

Tbh though I didn't notice badge and doubt many would.

Her speech was good and got widely reported. Great.

She will be king's wife in future- huge platform.. advisors etc must have approved her focus and words.

She really doesn't strike me as a woman who would buy into gender stuff or generally take any shit.

@nettie434

I agree that because it's the Duchess of Cornwall, there are people who will read what she said who would not have read a similar speech made by a campaigner. I think the Duchess of Cornwall has also met women who have experienced domestic abuse and spoken out about that too.

As an aside, I was surprised thar Tatler referred to Carrie Symonds rather than Carrie Johnson when she has chosen to use the name Johnson. My stereotyped idea of Tatler is that there were people employed to get titles right but perhaps that only applies to Dukes and Duchesses!

In the past Camilla has openly said there were women in her circle who had been the victims of domestic abuse. She’s very open about it and I do sit up and take notice when she speaks on the subject.

Tbh though I didn't notice badge and doubt many would.

I didn't notice it either, however the Mail Online pointed out the fact that Camila was wearning it.

I had never heard of the WOW foundation prior to that. It made me curious though

She will be king's wife in future- huge platform.. advisors etc must have approved her focus and words.

Would they have approved the fact that Camila is the President of the WOW foundation?

From the WOW website

The WOW Foundation’s President is HRH The Duchess of Cornwall.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210814172235/thewowfoundation.com/about-wow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210814172235/thewowfoundation.com/about-wow

She really doesn't strike me as a woman who would buy into gender stuff or generally take any shit.

I cannot comment on her character as I do not know her and have never met her.

It is my impression that Camila and other members of the RF are quite vulnerable when it comes to cults. Camila and Charles's holidays seem to be at dubious new age retreats (thanks again to Mail Online and Mail on Sunday for the details).

Charles adventures in to the world on new age quackery and charlatanry and his promotion of cults is legendary.

I'm not even going to comment at this point on Meghan and Harry, who are so far down the new age path of batshit that it is frankly scary.

This does not mean that Camila and Charles or others in the RF are bad people, of course.

The time honoured way of obtaining power and influence has been for a sorcerer / psychic / shaman / astrologer / homeopath / whatever to get themselves close to the RF or ruler of the land.

It is even a trope, the enchanted king and the evil wizard / sorcerer who has him in his power.

Then there were the real life cases, Rasputin and the sorry tale of the now jailed former President of Korea President Park who was running South Korea on the advice of a plastic shaman.

Most of the charlatans and new age fake medicine people / plastic shamans all preach from the same book. "You can be whatever you want to be as long as you believe it enough." aka the Law of Attraction / The Secret / the New Thought Movement. All of this is completely congruent with gender woo woo. Same song, different verses.

Not so surprising really.

Charles adventures in to the world on new age quackery and charlatanry and his promotion of cults is legendary.

I thought I had better provide evidence of my claim

here you go

BBC London Tonight: Innersound meet Prince Charles

Just who are Innersound? This is a complicated question as they keep changing their name (never a good sign). There is a very long and horrifying thread about this particular group here
forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,60845,page=1

News reports here

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193553/Master-Oh-Harley-Street-guru-treats-cancer-patients-BELCHING.html
cultnews.com/2013/01/family-of-deceased-british-army-officer-calls-for-investigation-of-cult/
medium.com/@hmax331/jungshim-is-a-destructive-cult-c68ea5e17350

On the subject of Charles’s enthusiasm for quackery and pseudoscience I would refer readers to Professor Edzard Ernst’s wonderful blog
take your pick of articles here
edzardernst.com/?s=prince+charles

Apologies for the derail, I just realised that, as I had made a claim I should back it up with evidence