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Infidel Feminism. Humanists UK lecture
Davros · 15/10/2021 23:44
humanists.uk/events/holyoake2021/
I haven't read this carefully yet but it looks interesting.
I actually cancelled my membership of HUK after not being able to get a straight (pardon pun!) answer to their position on gender self ID. I still get their emails and would dearly love to be a card carrying humanist again.
I'd be interested if online.secular111 · 16/10/2021 18:32
I gave-up with the National Secular Society in 2019 when it became clear that it was adopting the religious rhetoric of TRA's and an anti-science stance.
I tried hard to dissuade them from going down the rabbit hole, but as the language changed to references to 'demonic feminists' and the 'evil T2RFs' I decided that the Society had betrayed the principles of Charles Bradlaugh and was now a religious society by its nature.
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 16/10/2021 19:27
@ErrolTheDragon
Thank you! I'm happy to stump up for an online ticket but it's difficult for me to travel for something on a 'school' night.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/10/2021 08:38
HUK are true believers in transgenderism, and supporters of self-ID.
Which is odd, as their publicity claims they have “a commitment to rational enquiry and the scientific method”and that “humanists engage in discussion in a spirit of free inquiry and try to use reason and evidence in support of their arguments”.
www.peaktrans.org/tag/maria-maclachlan/
Maria MacLachlan, a heroic feminist and long-time humanist, left HUK after their bullying and evasiveness on the subject. Other women have also been disillusioned:
objectnow.org/2019-6-15-a-witch-hunt-at-humanists-uk/
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/10/2021 08:42
I wouldn’t give them the price of a bus ticket. More here about Humanists UK and their attitude to women’s rights, free speech and rational inquiry:
uncommongroundmedia.com/angelos-sofocleous-free-speech-academia/
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/10/2021 08:57
Secular111, I agree. I couldn’t believe it when they invited Andrew Moffatt, co-creator of the awful No Outsider programme in schools, to give the big-name lecture at their annual meeting a couple of years ago. He was getting lots of support because Muslim parents were opposing the programme, which were publicised as being nice lessons on tolerance and inclusivity
Look what children were really being told!.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3567446-I-thought-I-couldnt-be-shocked-anymore-No-Outsiders-programme?pg=1
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/10/2021 09:01
That was the National Secular Society, as Secular111 said. They are as genderist as HUK.
What is it with people who reject religious superstition, but are fine with human spirits being born in the wrong body? Who support ‘science’ but reject biology?
ErrolTheDragon · 17/10/2021 10:22
Yes, it's weird and disappointing. I'm afraid both these organisations are quite male dominated, which doesn't help.
However, the lecture in question may still be interesting. She's 'historian of feminism and labour movements in Britain, across the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.'
warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/people/staff_index/lauraschwartz/
Davros · 17/10/2021 12:08
I would love to be a card carrying Humanist again in that I truly believe one can "live a good life without religion". I also agree that faith schools should not be state funded and various other views. I left, and told them why, because of what I saw as obfuscation on self ID. It sounds like they are well on board with it and TWAW rather than vague as I thought. I won't be rejoining any time soon
Babdoc · 20/10/2021 09:39
A side issue, Davros, but you are not “living a good life without religion”. You were born, raised in, and had your ethical and moral values shaped by, a society grounded in 2000 years of Christianity. Our judicial system, our schools, our parenting - all based on Christian morality.
MacNougat · 20/10/2021 11:00
@Babdoc
That doesn't mean OP is living with religion ffs
ErrolTheDragon · 20/10/2021 14:42
Historically simplistic.... our culture/judicial system etc also has significant influences from Greece& Rome and the Nordic traditions.
And in the more recent period 'Christian morality' has for many people changed, playing catch-up with secular ethics on matters such as the equality of women and homosexuality. Some aspects of historical 'Christian morality' are now generally viewed as regressive or downright abhorrent.
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