Infidel Feminism. Humanists UK lecture

[Davros]

humanists.uk/events/holyoake2021/
I haven't read this carefully yet but it looks interesting.
I actually cancelled my membership of HUK after not being able to get a straight (pardon pun!) answer to their position on gender self ID. I still get their emails and would dearly love to be a card carrying humanist again.

I can't tell if this is online or in person at a physical venue. I'd be interested if online.

Likewise - it's odd, it doesn't say. I'll see if my DH can find out, he's been to quite a few in the past.

I gave-up with the National Secular Society in 2019 when it became clear that it was adopting the religious rhetoric of TRA's and an anti-science stance.

I tried hard to dissuade them from going down the rabbit hole, but as the language changed to references to 'demonic feminists' and the 'evil T2RFs' I decided that the Society had betrayed the principles of Charles Bradlaugh and was now a religious society by its nature.

This is run by the humanists not NSS, I think, secular - they're not the same thing.
I don't know if they're better or worse though.

@ErrolTheDragon

Likewise - it's odd, it doesn't say. I'll see if my DH can find out, he's been to quite a few in the past.

Thank you! I'm happy to stump up for an online ticket but it's difficult for me to travel for something on a 'school' night.

DH doesn't know, but says the Manchester humanists are starting in person meetings again so chances are this will be too. Maybe they've not fixed the venue yet.

However, he pointed out that these lectures generally get put on YouTube afterwards anyway.

HUK are true believers in transgenderism, and supporters of self-ID.
Which is odd, as their publicity claims they have “a commitment to rational enquiry and the scientific method”and that “humanists engage in discussion in a spirit of free inquiry and try to use reason and evidence in support of their arguments”.
www.peaktrans.org/tag/maria-maclachlan/

Maria MacLachlan, a heroic feminist and long-time humanist, left HUK after their bullying and evasiveness on the subject. Other women have also been disillusioned:
objectnow.org/2019-6-15-a-witch-hunt-at-humanists-uk/

I wouldn’t give them the price of a bus ticket. More here about Humanists UK and their attitude to women’s rights, free speech and rational inquiry:
uncommongroundmedia.com/angelos-sofocleous-free-speech-academia/

Secular111, I agree. I couldn’t believe it when they invited Andrew Moffatt, co-creator of the awful No Outsider programme in schools, to give the big-name lecture at their annual meeting a couple of years ago. He was getting lots of support because Muslim parents were opposing the programme, which were publicised as being nice lessons on tolerance and inclusivity

Look what children were really being told!.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3567446-I-thought-I-couldnt-be-shocked-anymore-No-Outsiders-programme?pg=1

That was the National Secular Society, as Secular111 said. They are as genderist as HUK.

What is it with people who reject religious superstition, but are fine with human spirits being born in the wrong body? Who support ‘science’ but reject biology?

And I recall some Alice Roberts "clownfish" claptrap?

I'd be willing to buy a ticket to support Laura Schwartz. I can buy her book but I thoroughly enjoy attending events with authors who discuss their work.

Yes, it's weird and disappointing. I'm afraid both these organisations are quite male dominated, which doesn't help.

However, the lecture in question may still be interesting. She's 'historian of feminism and labour movements in Britain, across the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.'

warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/people/staff_index/lauraschwartz/

I would love to be a card carrying Humanist again in that I truly believe one can "live a good life without religion". I also agree that faith schools should not be state funded and various other views. I left, and told them why, because of what I saw as obfuscation on self ID. It sounds like they are well on board with it and TWAW rather than vague as I thought. I won't be rejoining any time soon

A side issue, Davros, but you are not “living a good life without religion”. You were born, raised in, and had your ethical and moral values shaped by, a society grounded in 2000 years of Christianity. Our judicial system, our schools, our parenting - all based on Christian morality.

@Babdoc

A side issue, Davros, but you are not “living a good life without religion”. You were born, raised in, and had your ethical and moral values shaped by, a society grounded in 2000 years of Christianity. Our judicial system, our schools, our parenting - all based on Christian morality.

That doesn't mean OP is living with religion ffs

Historically simplistic.... our culture/judicial system etc also has significant influences from Greece& Rome and the Nordic traditions.

And in the more recent period 'Christian morality' has for many people changed, playing catch-up with secular ethics on matters such as the equality of women and homosexuality. Some aspects of historical 'Christian morality' are now generally viewed as regressive or downright abhorrent.