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Male masseur voyeurism- in news. Shows myths depressingly

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NiceGerbil · 21/08/2021 18:16

Hello. Saw this in the news today.

Well done to the woman who realised what was going on and pushed to get this result.

What I found depressing was the way it showed up how women are seen as lacking credibility / men are given the benefit of the doubt in thinks relating to sex offences esp non contact ones.

What jumped out:

  • Partner suggested it was pregnancy hormones and she'd got the wrong end of the stick. I'm not saying he's awful or anything. This is the entrenched first response that the vast majority of people will give, even to someone they love and know is reliable etc. When it comes to this stuff.
  • The police response oh my fucking God. I was aghast. I mean everyone knows this is usually how it works but to read this was still shocking.
'I rang 101 [the police non-emergency number] and was booked in for an appointment the following day with two male PCs, where I showed them a picture of the clock and they asked "Are you sure it was that clock? Are you sure it was recording you?"

I said I could not be certain that it was, but it looks exactly the same and felt it was worth investigating regardless.

Then they said that they had spoken to a sergeant and that the best way forward was to confirm with the masseur if he had a legitimate reason to be recording people because they said he might feel that he needs to protect himself against accusations.'

-The police FIRST thought was. Oh well women lie and so men need to protect themselves. That's probably what's going on here.
!!!!!????!!!!!
For fucks sake.

  • Their suggestion how to move forward if she insisted (which I assume she must have done after the attempted fob off, oh well he needs to protect himself against false accusations...)...
'They indicated that they wanted me to go back and ask him why he was recording me, at which I pointed out I was five-and-a-half months pregnant and vulnerable and I didn't think it was a good idea to send a pregnant woman alone to ask him why he had recorded her.' What the actually fuck???!!!

I mean. What?!

So she goes back. He says oh no it's just a signal booster or some old flannel. She can't do anything really. She leaves. He deletes everything. Yay?!
And as she rightly said. Sending a woman who strongly suspects she has been a victim of a sex offence back to have a nice 1-1 chat with him?

  • Despite this she kept at it. I mean I'd guess most people would have thought sod it at that point. She is determined.
'I made a complaint that I didn't think that it was dealt with correctly, and they said they would look into it.

A couple of weeks later I got a phone call from police to say they had gone to Roddis and he just admitted it outright upon being asked and surrendered all of the equipment.

Police found he had made about 2,000 videos of his clients and that there were more than 900 victims.'

Nine hundred women. NINE HUNDRED. And only caught because she kept at it when the police were giving her a very very strong message to shut up and go away.

Also note it was her sister who said to report.

What a brilliant woman. Thank you to her.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-58249002

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 28/08/2021 22:54

Yeah, there’s a lot of pressure on women to “be cool” with all sorts of shit these days.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 28/08/2021 22:57

@mynameisnotkate

I can’t believe they initially suggested that it could be for a legitimate reason such as he wanted to protect himself from false accusations. Surely that doesn’t make filming people without their knowledge legal?! You’d have to make it clear to them you were filming them and why and get their consent to it, and then demonstrate you were deleting it afterwards. How can the police possibly have put this forward as a reasonable explanation?!
This is so true. It beggars belief. The police conducted themselves contemptibly throughout this whole incident, up to and including that appalling, deeply dishonest and would be arse-covering statement from Det Inspector Dave Savill.
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 28/08/2021 23:04

@catzwhiskas

Which is why we women should trust our own instincts. There is no evidence to show which men will be safe and which not. Personally I always look for a woman as the chances are it will be a safer experience. I do go to a male osteopath however. Who is actually ok. But this constant gaslighting of women into accepting males in all circumstances is increasing the risk to us. Men choose certain occupations for a reason. See the social worker in Croydon who had CSA on his phone and inadvertently shared with colleagues . No we do not trust you.
I hadn’t seen that story. There just aren’t any limits for some of these bastards, are there? A senior SW employed in children’s services, actively participating in the abuse of children. Agree with you wholeheartedly re the gaslighting and the increased risk.
Councillorbrian · 01/09/2021 21:05

I've had a massage from this guy. I contacted the police when the story behind in the news to ask for more information about the likelihood of whether I would have been one of his victims. I'm particularly keen to know whether there is any possibility that any footage of me may have been shared further. I've heard fuck all back from them - not even an acknowledgment of my query. Thank you for reminding me to chase this up

SpringIsSprung1 · 01/09/2021 21:21

How many threads do we see on here where women are assaulted, abused, controlled and belittled?
It shouldn't be this way, but while it is... Please see a female masseur for your own peace of mind

Councillorbrian · 03/09/2021 14:06

@SpringIsSprung1 Don't worry, I definitely will be. (Username is an in joke with a friend, I am a woman, not a man called Brian)

BrozTito · 03/09/2021 14:24

The increases are mostly down to law changes. Specifically voyeurism which Tory shithead Christopher Chope tried to block.

BrozTito · 03/09/2021 14:25

I used to think it was a myth but having had experience the police really are as bad and as corrupt as is suggested

QuentinBunbury · 04/09/2021 15:26

Thanks for sharing. The police quote is laughable. Yeah great job once it actually got taken seriously Hmm Ihope the original officer had a strong talking to.

It does show patriarchalviews in that it's deemed reasonable for a man to commit a crime (voyeurism) to protect himself from putative false accusations, yet women are not able to request a particular sex to protect themselves (or made to feel bigoted for doing so)

catsonmats · 21/10/2021 11:45

And now he’s had his sentence reduced by the Court of Appeal according to the local paper Peterborough Today

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