Why the lack of detail

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9783505/Jemma-Mitchell-accused-decapitating-Mee-Kuen-Chong-dumping-body-Devon-court-told.html

Horrible murder of a woman by a woman ( so fairly uncommon and therefore newsworthy ). In the paper but with no details as to suspect or motive. Why would they do this?

This should be in ‘sex and gender’.

@orinocosfavoritecake

This should be in ‘sex and gender’.

Why?

Genuine question - there is no obvious sex/gender angle to this case. Also as explained by other posters above, they way it is proceeding through the English judicial system is totally normal (in terms of speed and the amount of information released at each step)

@orinocosfavoritecake

This should be in ‘sex and gender’.

It is

And how does #notourcrimes apply here?

What are you assuming here? Have you read the posts earlier in the thread containing the explanation, and where to find the proof, which refutes the insinuation that the person charged with the murder is anything other than a natal/CIS/whatever or just plain woman?

It's in 'feminism chat' not 's/g' as I look at it now

Weird tech-stuff going on again?

It is relevant because it explains why where there is ambiguity there will be suspicion of transwomen in respect of violent crimes.

Male crimes are currently being reported as though committed by women. Of course we are going to be suspicious. It doesn't mean women can't be violent or automatic transphobia.

That's just prejudice though, isn't it?

Those who make and publish an assumption about a crime, based on nothing whatsoever about that individual crime, aren't doing a reasonable thing

Especially if that hashtag is repeating the idea that the person charged is not a woman.

In this case it IS a woman.

In many, many others it isn't.

It's OK hashtags don't work on here.

In many, many others it isn't

The overwhelming and vast majority ...

@NiceGerbil

It's usual for names/ pics of people charged with crimes to be in the media, if the media is interested in reporting on the case.

The idea that women (and men) are out of order to wonder, when women are reported as having been charged with crimes that are vastly massively usually committed by male people. When we know the police record by self ID. And have seen plenty of cases where male type crimes have been committed by women but oh look the person is male. And it's recorded as a crime committed by a woman and female estate is likely...

Yes women can commit these types of crimes.

But it's very rare.

And now the word woman is no indication of sex...

Of course there are ???

The alternative is to accept that suddenly women are going all out on brutal sex offences/ excessively violent attacks on women for no reason. And not think.. eh? What's changed?

I don’t think it’s so normal to have photos of the suspect anymore. It used to be very common and articles used to centre photos of the suspect but over the last decade-ish(?) this seems to have changed. Papers have started focusing much more on the victim’s photo and the suspect is fairly frequently not shown at all, especially early in the process towards any (potential) conviction.

I don’t know if this is because police forces are releasing less info about the suspect or because of data protection or IPSO regs or what. But it’s a change I noticed a few years ago (not in relation to potential trans identities).

Hold on

So the general public knowing that certain types of crimes are almost always committed by male people

And knowing that there have been multiple situations where criminals reported as women and committing those types of crimes and they're male

And knowing that it's self ID- recorded as whatever they say to the police irrespective

That it's prejudiced to think that's very odd when yet another crime that is massively more likely to be committed by a male is reported as a woman attacker?

If it's prejudiced against males for pretty much everyone in the world to know that when it comes to excessively violent murder and sex offences it's pretty much always a male person that did it???!

This ties in well with the idea that it's not a male problem it's a person problem

That women talking about male violence is sexist

Etc etc

@toffeebutterpopcorn

It is just the way things have been reported - this is why whenever we see anything noted as 'women' - whether a crime, prize or shortlist - we look for photos.

This

There’s a character who has been convicted of peeing and pooing in public (long history of bad behaviour). Twitter just can’t quite guess the second though. I think she’s female whose had a hard life, possibly addict.

Welcome to 2021. When we really can’t tell ‘if you’re a boy of a girl’.

I have noticed recently that the vast majority of "woman commits [serious sex crime]" headlines and reports, the "woman" turns out to be a man. And for other serious and violent crimes, it's the same.

That's why I no longer take headlines and reports at face value when it's reporting on a crime by a woman when it's the type of crime which 99% of the time, is committed by men.

That's entirely the media's fault, it's not "transphobic".

@toffeebutterpopcorn

There’s a character who has been convicted of peeing and pooing in public (long history of bad behaviour). Twitter just can’t quite guess the second though. I think she’s female whose had a hard life, possibly addict.

Welcome to 2021. When we really can’t tell ‘if you’re a boy of a girl’.

Yes I’ve seen that one. It’s quite obviously a woman though - no evidence of facial hair and no male pattern baldness. She does indeed look like she’s had a hard life and probably has substance abuse issues. But every time this sort of speculation occurs and it turns out the person is female after all, it just gives ammunition to TRAs who say that we make life harder for butch women.

The next court appearance for the accused murderer is 28 September when the accused will enter a plea. There may be more information available then if the plea is guilty. If it goes to trial, there will be nothing more until that happens

This thread was about the reporting of an unusual murder, and has been comprehensively derailed.

RIP Deborah Mee Kuen Chong

Derailed? It was in sex and gender and was a speculation from the outset whether the accused was a natal female. Also, it’s not ‘unusual reporting’ to withhold information pre-trial, including not showing a photo.

It's no longer in S/G

And threads about what the Sarah Everard case meant did not lose sight of the victim in the way that this thread has done.

But the Sarah Everard threads are about male violence against women which is a topic of general feminist concern. What is the general feminist topic of concern in this case where a woman is killed by another woman? Don’t get me wrong - it was a horrendous way to dispose of the body but why is it in feminism?

Interesting article about the 'hierarchy' of missing persons.

www.vice.com/en/article/g5g8wb/mee-kuen-chong-missing-people-uk

Me Kuen Chong was reported missing promptly, but there was next to no publicity until her body was found. And even then it seemed to focus on her being found headless, rather than there being any sense of outrage that she was murdered (compare his there was even less for the murder of Bennylyn Burke)

The reporting is really random. I would have thought this would had have been in the news soon due to the extreme violence. But, no.

Most murders of women are not reported in the press.

On why in chat- OP said it was started in the other topic.

Some threads have shown up in both topics.

If you're concerned then ask MNHQ, they are the only ones who can move threads.

The suggestion that the general public should not notice that loads of typically male crimes have been reported as women arrested charged etc. And then they turn out to be male.

Means that the general public should discard their knowledge of what sort of crimes are almost always committed by men?

That's a big ask.

There was actually relatively little publicity about Sarah Everard until several days after she went missing. I don’t think there is anything really strange about the reporting in this case. As you say, many murders of women (and most murders of men) barely make the news.

We have no idea if extreme violence was used. We know the body was dismembered but that may well have been post-mortem or may have been as a result of animals.

Another thing to remember is that sometimes there will be restrictions on reporting because of a child involved. So if the child is likely to be identified if the parent is, the press may not report fully. Or for instance, the Spalding murders where it made little sense that random teens would murder a dinner-lady and her daughter but made a lot more sense when the killers were revealed to be the woman’s other daughter and her boyfriend.

Here, the press did report. They named the woman and showed photos of her. I don’t know what else people expect really.