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Positively Lesbian

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NonnyMouse1337 · 26/06/2021 12:18

Great new resource for young lesbians. ❤️

www.positivelylesbian.org/

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FloralBunting · 29/06/2021 14:41

There aren't plenty of spaces, though, are there? There are a myriad of genderist spaces where the understanding of what a lesbian is will be at the very least hushed up, if not openly derided. Yes, I absolutely love this and want more of it. Holding the line is important. And I want those young women who only see the genderist shite to see this and know it's for them. I don't want them to do the tribal group think response and think that just because right now they are identifying as trans masc non binary in an effort to make their lesbian orientation acceptable to the LGBTQ+ genderists, that they have to reidentify as detransitioners for any of the stuff on the site to be applicable to them. I mean, this is a tiny, tiny niggle. I completely support the site and I wouldn't use the same phrase as Sappho did by calling it 'anti-trans', but hell yes I think saying being a lesbian is fucking fantastic should be enough.

HSAT, by the same token, this is the current situation we're in, and it's not lesbians who have eagerly set up a system where being a lesbian and comfortable in your skin is 'problematic', so pushback against genderism is inevitable and appropriate.

I've now talked myself out of my critique.🤣 I'll go and have sone coffee

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/06/2021 15:07

I've now talked myself out of my critique.🤣 I'll go and have sone coffee

😂😂

this is the current situation we're in, and it's not lesbians who have eagerly set up a system where being a lesbian and comfortable in your skin is 'problematic', so pushback against genderism is inevitable and appropriate.

This is my view. Admittedly, I'm not a lesbian nor am I a young woman anymore, but I did read through every single page on the site, and to me the brief sections on detransition and breast binding were absolutely appropriate and fit into the larger conversation around women's bodies and our relationship with them, especially as a lesbian. There is a recurring theme in many of the stories of detransitioned women about being lesbian or bisexual and there's no reason why a group for lesbians shouldn't include such a perspective in its remit.

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SapphosRock · 29/06/2021 20:34

If it's a site that is supposed to be centring lesbians then why mention trans people at all? It's perpetuating the cycle of centring trans issues.

Young lesbians aren't stupid, they will be able to see the anti trans agenda and probably not feel comfortable with it.

PurpleHoodie · 29/06/2021 23:56

FloralBunting

God, that's so fucking wonderful I could cry.

Totally refreshing isn't it. Clear, and to the point. Female focused.

NonnyMouse1337 · 30/06/2021 08:22

@SapphosRock

If it's a site that is supposed to be centring lesbians then why mention trans people at all? It's perpetuating the cycle of centring trans issues.

Young lesbians aren't stupid, they will be able to see the anti trans agenda and probably not feel comfortable with it.

Gender ideology has the most negative impact on young lesbian women and gay men, who are only starting to understand their sexuality and are being manipulated and gaslighted into thinking they are 'anti-trans' as you like to label them. Young people who are same-sex attracted rather than same-gender attracted need to know it's ok to reject fashionable dogma. They may not feel comfortable openly defying their friends right now, but they will know there's a place for them and a way to network with others like them.

Finding people like yourself is incredibly important as a young person figuring out their place in this world.

Modern revival of lesbian spaces has to take into account that we now have to grapple with gender dogma and that we can't ignore or turn our backs on detransitioners and desisters, especially those that transitioned out of confusion over their sexuality.

The current unforgivable scandal that is unfolding of 'transing away the gay' will be a stain on our collective history and culture as a nation. There is a role for lesbian groups that are unapologetic about being by and for lesbians. Having one small paragraph on breast binding and another small paragraph on detransitioners is hardly 'centering' trans issues. They are topics increasingly relevant to lesbian lives today that we mustn't shy away from.

Young lesbians have all the 'Queer' spaces they need if they enjoy including males. There's a plethora of 'inclusive' groups and clubs for this cohort and it's also inclusive of women who identify as trans/non-binary etc. These types aren't going to be remotely interested in any group that doesn't screech in the very first heading about how they are 'inclusive of ALL women' and drapes itself in the trans colours and chants the mandatory religious mantras. They aren't the target audience.

The focus is on young lesbians who reject gender dogma or are having doubts about it all. These are the women who might quietly and secretly start looking online for others like them. Think of the atheists and ex-muslims living in the Middle East trying to secretly find others like them. And the joy and wonder in discovering a website for young atheists that unapologetically rejects Islam and religion without sugar coating its objections to religious dogma.

A lesbian site that openly rejects gender dogma is a shining beacon in a dull grey sea of 'inclusivity'. It shines brightly precisely because it is clear that it excludes anyone who isn't same-sex attracted and it is a place for those who are proud of womanhood and being women rather than denigrating and despising it the way gender believers do.

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SapphosRock · 30/06/2021 10:54

Excellent post NonnyMouse1337 and when you lay it out like that then yes you are right.

It is great to see resources just for lesbians starting to appear. It must be a really tough time to be a young lesbian.

FloralBunting · 30/06/2021 11:58

It really must. I know coming out at work and just being visibly, openly lesbian and saying so feels like an outlier (no pun intended) among the younger demographic who rarely seem comfortable about being woman-oriented.
There are a lot of smiles for corporate pictures etc. but I'm standing as a happy butch-ish lesbian in a sea of stuff about cosmetic mastectomies and young females on T for whom the idea of being confident in the femsle body you have, and not adjusting it or your pronouns to fit an identity to be allowed to love other females, seems too simple.
If anything convinced me the modern LGBTQ+ movement is just capitalism exploiting the vulnerable, it's that.

ChattyLion · 30/06/2021 18:39

Excellent resource

Mumfun · 01/07/2021 14:37

So happy that this excellent resource is now available

PurpleHoodie · 01/07/2021 21:16

A thought just arose: are LGB Alliance and Gay and Lesbian news aware of them?

NonnyMouse1337 · 05/07/2021 08:24

@PurpleHoodie

A thought just arose: are LGB Alliance and Gay and Lesbian news aware of them?
Oh good point. Not sure. I'll ask them. Smile
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PurpleHoodie · 05/07/2021 10:14
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PurpleHoodie · 07/07/2021 16:25

I checked.

They are Star

Ingvermama · 18/07/2021 17:08

Wow, this is great, I looked through the whole website, so much sensible information. My teenage daughter is a lesbian and I'm going to send her the link to this, thank you Smile

PurpleHoodie · 18/07/2021 17:28
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loveyouradvice · 18/07/2021 20:38

A lesbian site that openly rejects gender dogma is a shining beacon in a dull grey sea of 'inclusivity'. It shines brightly precisely because it is clear that it excludes anyone who isn't same-sex attracted and it is a place for those who are proud of womanhood and being women rather than denigrating and despising it the way gender believers do.

so so so so agree.... cheering gently from my sofa

mollythemeerkat · 19/07/2021 19:05

@Stealhsquirrelnutkin

Oooh I did enjoy that. An online space for young lesbians away from the gender fuckwittery.
Yes, good isnt it. Actually supportive for a change, of young women who are same sex attracted.
PurpleHoodie · 21/07/2021 07:46

It's very, very good.

AdditionalCharacter · 21/07/2021 07:52

Brilliant. Will forward it on to my 16 year old openly lesbian niece.

MumofAceDD · 21/07/2021 08:05

Random comment, which I have name-changed for. My DD is asexual but I think possibly romantically attracted to women, from what she has said. Lesbian is not a term she would use to describe herself, I don’t think, because she is not sexually attracted to women.
Where does asexuality fit for young women? Of course I don’t expect this website to cover it (maybe it does and I have not seen it, but I don’t think so). I think possibly nowhere.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 21/07/2021 23:01

This is great. We need more positive role models for young women and girls. I'm bisexual and wonder whether there's anything similar.

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/07/2021 23:33

@JulesRimetStillGleaming

This is great. We need more positive role models for young women and girls. I'm bisexual and wonder whether there's anything similar.
I'm not aware of any resources for bisexual women. It would be great to have one. Would have definitely helped me. Finding like-minded bisexual women who are free from the gender-woo stuff would be a great start.
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JulesRimetStillGleaming · 21/07/2021 23:44

Maybe we should start one? Been thinking for years that what young women need is more positive (gender non-conforming) role models. Did bugger all about it.

NonnyMouse1337 · 22/07/2021 00:07

@JulesRimetStillGleaming

Maybe we should start one? Been thinking for years that what young women need is more positive (gender non-conforming) role models. Did bugger all about it.
Great idea! Happy to discuss further in a separate thread or DMs. Smile
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