Women sexually harassed by guards at Covid quarantine hotels

[CaveMum]

Oh what a surprise! Any opportunity it seems.

Why the hell are they not employing more female security?!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-57609164.amp

I posted this article and it ended up in sex and gender! Not sure why.

I’m disgusted by this abuse of power.

This behaviour is everywhere. I’m a teacher and the Ofsted findings about sexual harassment in schools sadly didn’t shock me. What angered me was the response to those findings. That as a teacher I need inset to deal with it and it’ll therefore be my responsibility to solve misogyny in society.

This is so gross and creepy.

And how the hell is the government still giving G4S work? They have fucked up over and over again.

Probably because females don’t want to it because they would end up being harassed by male quarantine inmates.
It’s all about male privilege and a skewed peer dynamic, the circumstances are generally incidental.

@motherrunner how weird. They must be using some kind of keyword algorithm to automatically move threads.

@Temp023 I agree there probably aren’t enough female guards, and yes they’d probably get harassed too.

I also posted it in AIBU for traffic. Everyone sickened but sometimes I feel as a woman we’re just shouting into a void. What will it take to stop this? When I was growing up I just felt I was fighting for equality but now I feel I’m fighting for young women to be seen as people rather than a way object.

*sex

I really do fear the world I'm bringing my daughters up in. We've gone backwards. It's like any female is fair game in any situation.

Since this is effectively imprisonment they should be complying with the international standards on single sex prison accommodation- but of course we know how they have been undermined already.

It's a disgrace and should be challenged in court.

Need to dig for Harriet Wistrich - fabulous work, glad to see her quoted.

@FemaleAndLearning

I really do fear the world I'm bringing my daughters up in. We've gone backwards. It's like any female is fair game in any situation.

Yep. I start to yearn for the old days and a bit of chivalry - occasionally annoying but arguably better than this shit.

Yes things appear to be going backwards.

Horrifying.

It happened in Australia too - I don't know if the actions of the guards there were welcomed by the women in quarantine, but Melbourne's July 2020 lockdown was attributed to a spike following guards sexual contact with those quarantining

www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/07/australia-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-hotel-sex-scandal/

It seems we are incapable of learning from experiences in other countries

I assume that this has been stuck in sex and gender because MN know that hearing about the harassment of females by male guards will lead to us suggesting single sex quarantine provisions.

And asking for single sex anything puts one in opposition to the current mainstream trans rights activism. Which makes asking for single sex anything much much harder.

The people who probably agree with us deep down but still think "terfs" are evil scold us for bringing up the topic of trans and say they'd like to talk about this without.

And the people who don't think women should be allowed to have single sex spaces at all find reasons to report the post and hopefully get it deleted.

Re female guards. As a student I temped as a security guard for sporting events. Virtually no training given or experience needed. But got to wear the uniform alongside the proper guards.

I think it would be extremely possible to at the very least provide female escorts. If anyone gave a shit, of course.

I assume that this has been stuck in sex and gender

?? It's in 'feminism chat' for me

Nice to see a quote from Harriet Wistrich at the centre for women's justice. I consider my monthly donation money extremely well spent.

this is horrifying

I think that putting any and all threads about bad things happening to women, in feminism. Even if started in chat or AIBU.

Is a strange and bad decision.

Women in general care about these things.

So the hotels didn't do anything and not did g4s.

G4s are a disaster. So many terrible things they've done and the government keeps giving them contracts. They're probably cheap.

The I need to empty my testicles man. Terrifying.

I don't want to use details that will out me, but I regularly use four government facilities, all identical apart from three of them have mainly male government employees, who are with the occasional exception nice helpful guys, the fourth is staffed by male G4S staff, who are pretty much rude and unhelpful, and prone to making disparaging comments.
No idea what it is about that company.

Once you have a culture like this within a company its hard to get rid of; the people who are settled recruit their mates, they stick together, and edge out people who's faces don't fit.

This is horrifying but not surprising at all. We already knew men were using track and trace to creep on women.

If this had been thought through properly and in line with UN guidance on detaining people (because it's not a massively different situation to refugee camps) then care should have been taken to provide single sex areas.

Floors of the hotel should be separated into women/men/mixed couples and families and female guards for the floor with lone women.

Then again nowhere seems to be impressed with the concept of single sex spaces now, it's all women making a fuss about nothing or so we're told.

The awful thing is that G4S just said our procedures and staff are fine. We'll look into it a bit.

The hotel said nothing to do with us.

The story will die and nothing will change.

It's always this way with sex offences against women and girls (and maybe men and boys too).

Media reports something grim. Usually only when the people experiencing it are seen as dunno. Reliable/ decent/ relatable etc.

Everyone says oh no.

Story goes away. Forgotten. Nothing changes.

G4s have a load of dodgy stuff been reported for years. Everyone knows they're shit.

Wiki- total shitshow

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_G4S

Then again nowhere seems to be impressed with the concept of single sex spaces now, it's all women making a fuss about nothing or so we're told.

Indeed. We need to bring back respect for safeguarding, privacy and dignity.

This isn't about single sex places this guy.

It's about hotels used for quarantine and they are all mixed.

And breaches should be tackled properly. G4S is hiding behind well-written staff policy manuals, and not doing enough to ensure that the actual pracuse on the ground is acceptable.

This came out at around the same time as the Matt Hancock was pilloried - quarantine guards attempting to break quarantine rules about contact with residents is of course the greater threat to health. And is harassment rather more than the heckling of Whitty.

But there is far less fuss and commentary. Though it shouldn't need a fuss, just decisive action to end the abuses. That means in practice, not just in the policy book

I think you missed the point of what was said. We know they are mixed.