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Justice Secretary Robert Buckland 'sorry' for failing rape victims

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TedImgoingmad · 17/06/2021 22:31

Hope I haven't missed another thread on this. Just saw the interview on the news.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57511425

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littlbrowndog · 17/06/2021 22:34

I would like to,comment on this but can’t toddler fury but just marking

TedImgoingmad · 18/06/2021 00:12

In brief, the Govt plans to overhaul how rape is handled, from first report through to prosecution, in order to tackle the plummet in prosecution and conviction rates. Buckland and Priti Patel have stated they are deeply ashamed at the Justice system's failure to bring rapists to justice. They acknowledge they have to do better, and have come up with a plan of action to address the failures.

Key proposals include reducing the length of time victims are left without their phones, pre-recording victim cross examination earlier in the process and away from the courtroom and placing less emphasis on victim credibility and more on the suspect's behaviour.

Newsnight this evening interviewed Caroline Nokes, Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee and Ellie Reeves, Shadow Solicitor General. Labour saying the proposals don't go far enough, and the role out will not be quick enough. The principle complaint is that the government created the situation through cuts to the police, CPS and courts; and that the proposed reform is being rolled out on a limited basis via a pilot scheme, rather than being implemented straight away in all courts.

Can't deny that 10 years of the Tories has created an utterly shit situation for rape victims, but there's never been a time when rape victims were treated as victims rather than complicit in their own attack. As someone who had to go through 2 years of a SA hanging over my head, and then a ridiculously botched trial, all under the auspices of a Labour government, I am going to be cautiously optimistic.

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newnortherner111 · 18/06/2021 07:33

Cutting the police force sizes, underfunding thecourts, and not acting on the so-called porn passport, all have contributed. I hope it is a turning point but will believe it when it happens and there are real changes in place.

Dozer · 18/06/2021 07:36

Saw this interview and was pleased to see the acknowledgement that the status quo is terrible.

The measures announced don’t sound like much though.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 18/06/2021 08:07

It’s a start. There is more to be done. It is awful that the rape figures had to get so appallingly bad before anything happened.

EyesOpening · 18/06/2021 08:55

And once convicted, not allow them to be housed in the women's prison, hopefully

PicsInRed · 18/06/2021 11:52

Ok, so forbid the confiscation of rape victims phone's then, if he's so sorry, seeing how this is never a prerequisite to any other criminal complaint!

Then bring in an inqusitorial, judge led, trial system for sex (and race) related crimes, to ensure that societal bias doesn't entrench lack of access to justice for victims.

Finally, add a hate crime enhancement to male on female domestic violence and sex crimes, which are two categories of crime directly related to misogyny and the attempted violent control of women and the intentional impediment and punishment of women's rightful free movement in the public sphere - going back thousands of years.

If he's sorry...

PicsInRed · 18/06/2021 11:55

Oh and forcibly enforce FULL payment of child maintenance through immediate suspension of driver licences and passports for arrears.

That would be part of messaging to men that they cant treat women with contempt and walk away free.

sawdustformypony · 18/06/2021 12:33

There shouldn't be an automatic pre-requisite of taking the phone in any event. The Police should wait to consider the circumstance of the alleged offence and the defendant's account at the interview stage.

TenthOfDecember · 18/06/2021 15:06

I have personal experience of Robert Buckland when he was Solicitor General. Given the details of my experience of him, his apology is laughable and hypocritical. He can take his report and stick it up his expletive deleted.

stumbledin · 18/06/2021 15:23

#RapeJusticeNow

The Centre for Women’s Justice, End Violence Against Women Coalition (EVAW), Imkaan and Rape Crisis England & Wales say the concerns they have long raised have been reflected in the strong language and encouraging aspects of the Review, and the Government’s apology for systemic failings is important for victims and survivors.

The specialist women’s groups feel the Review’s recommendations do not go far enough, however, to tackle this urgent justice crisis with the speed and to the extent needed, or to address inequalities in the system.

(Its quite a long press release and explains how this review came about. My worry is that for anyone is isn't part of these specialised groups that it isn't direct enough / uses insider language to make any meaningful contribution that other women can then pick up on)
rapecrisis.org.uk/news/government-apologises-for-systemic-failings-on-rape-leading-women-s-groups-disappointed-with-lack-of-ambition-in-plans-to-address-them/

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 18/06/2021 23:09

Helpful thread from Joan Smith:

The government’s rape review admits something many of us have been saying for years: ‘The Review has heard that too often rape victims feel that they are the ones being investigated and do not feel believed.’ The CJS confuses victims & perpetrators, investigating the former.

Taking victims’ phones & demanding access to medical, school & personal records was a symptom of this mistake. Rape victims have had their lives torn apart, but the same isn’t true of alleged perpetrators. Why not take their phones to look for violent porn/other offences? [cont.]

twitter.com/polblonde/status/1405780928610324481

Jux · 19/06/2021 00:44

Because they know they'd some/lots.

Thinking about being, say, burgled. Do the police take your keys? Do they question you as if it was your own fault that some little scrote thought your place would be good place for his next pathetic heist?

I believe the answer is 'NO' (resounding).

All they need to do is investigate as if it's a burglary, and treat the victim with kindness and respect.

When in doubt, think of burglars you bustling little nonentities!

Childrenofthestones · 19/06/2021 08:36

As the police can download the contents of a phone in minutes, what possible excuse is there for holding it for weeks at a time?
Why couldn't it be done at the initial complaint point.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5558511/Police-download-phones-data-minutes-NO-warrant.html

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