Arlene Foster suing Dr Christian

[MissyB1]

Apparently he tweeted that she was having an affair (without any proof), and the way he put it was a spiteful little jibe about her being a “sanctity of marriage preaching woman” adding “it always comes back to bite them on the arse”
Now I understand he might have an issue with her as I think she was against same sex marriage. But this man always strikes me as an arrogant twat and a nasty piece of work.

I tried to post the link but I’m such a technophobe! it’s on BBC news website

The one small glimmer of goodness in all the horror of how women in politics are treated has been a little bit of cross-party solidarity between those affected.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

He might struggle to work as an NHS GP - he’s not on the GP register with the GMC. I remember reading that he does not have any formal postgraduate training in General Practice so wouldn’t be terribly employable in the NHS. This is the problem with private doctors - always be suspicious of solely private ones and check their qualifications. NHS specialists and GPs I trust far more as they are trained intensively and heavily regulated

Thanks, @Gembie. I hadn't thought of him working as a GP. His background is in sexual health work, I believe. Did he go through specialist training after his medical degree?

@Bouledeneige

Teawamatu 'feminists that only support naice women are not feminists'.

Well done. In my view, women who tell other women they're not feminists aren't feminists. By your argument you have a duty to defend my right to my views as much as you choose to defend Arlene Foster's. So come on sister. Tolerate a difference of opinion from another woman. Don't leap to tell her she's not a feminist. Its ugly. If you can defend Arlene Foster you can defend my right to disagree with crowing about her victory.

Because I said I don't like Arlene Foster doesn't mean I agree with Dr Jenson. I can't stand him. But I won't crow about Arlene Foster's win. I don't like her at all either. Its not cowboys and Indians. It is possible to have the discernment to dislike both people in a dispute isn't it? Nuance.

I had a friend in the Socialist Workers in the 80s who had a vote on whose side to be on in the Iran/Iraq war. Choosing who the good guys are. And that's how we fucked up the Middle East foreign policy. Its just a bit more complicated than that.

I support women's rights to hold any opinion they like, however appallingly patronisingly they may express it.

I maintain that only standing up for women you approve of seems rather selective in a movement intended to support all women.

I can't bear Arlene Foster. She's not the 'goodie' just because she's a woman. But she was subjected to misogyny and I'm glad that was pointed out and dealt with.

Good points Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g and Gembie

Of course he hasn't worked in the NHS for many years. If religion/spiritual beliefs were touched on at all in medical school he will have long forgotten that lecture. However I think it's very wrong for a celebrity Dr with a large SM following to be openly so disrespectful of one of the protected characteristics. I suppose most of his fans agree with him and lap it up but for me it is very unprofessional and not a good look.

Following strong recommendations upthread I've started reading the judgment. Hardly started and I find this:

[8] It is important to note that Dr Jessen specifically states on his website that the reason why he decided to move from the traditional clinic setting to working virtually was because doctors can offer effective and efficient online clinic services to patients anywhere in the world, enabling patients who want to consult with him to do so, without the need to travel. The importance of this will become apparent at a later stage of this judgment.

This is going to be a page turner.

LOL. I do wonder how he organised swabs and specimens and blood tests around the world on the internet. Easier to go to your local STD clinic imo.

It is possible to have the discernment to dislike both people in a dispute isn't it? Nuance.

Nuance is being able to dislike them both but in this instance support the one who has been on the right side of the law and condemn the one whose behaviour is not on the right side of the law.

if you want to bring a woman down, call her a slag or call her ugly.

Yes absolutely, EsmaCannonball, spot on. The same awful misogyny as ever.

Excellent points, Fanny, but I'd be amazed if CJ has worked in the NHS in recent times. Not well enough paid, I'd imagine

He seems still to be registered - I had thought he abandoned plebby patients for his media career some time ago.

He's a ghastly misogynist and whilst I loathe much of Arlene's politics I'm delighted to see that for once a woman hater gets their come uppance.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

if you want to bring a woman down, call her a slag or call her ugly.

Yes absolutely, EsmaCannonball, spot on. The same awful misogyny as ever.

And to add one more to the list - "hysterical" / mental.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Yes even sexual health doctors are on the Specialist Register. So if he is on neither that nor the GP register he cannot have completed postgraduate training in anything.

I find this so disingenuous that you can purport to be an expert when you are anything but. It’s an insult to all the good Drs out there that have completed their training. Also the public perception is that private Drs are the best in their field - clearly not always so

“This is not about being pro Arlene Foster and what she stands for. This is about being delighted about a huge humiliating defeat for a notable misogynist who thought he could say what he liked about a woman from Northern Ireland, because in his world view women are the support version of homo sapiens, not full people in their own right with feelings and rights, and Northern Ireland isn't important and nobody from NI, especially a woman, could touch an English/London-based celebrity.”

Yes, this 👏

The judgment is a jaw dropping read. The judge makes clear that, in his view, CJ lied and lied about aspects of the proceedings, and also failed to provide evidence of his claimed mental health issues. If anyone who actually reads this case then goes on to contribute to his GoFundMe, they’re an idiot IMO.

For those saying we shouldn't be supporting Arlene Foster in this, this from the Judgement makes it clear:

Her traditional religious views which I entirely accept are genuine and sincere and are an important part of who she is, are views which she is entitled to hold and entitled to express

Mrs Foster has strong traditional religious beliefs and she is entitled to hold those beliefs and her right to do so must be protected in a democratic society that values diversity, tolerance and respect for the rule of law.

Arlene Foster has stated that she respects the law of same sex marriage in Northern Ireland.

Whether you agree with Arlene's views, her faith or her politics is neither he nor there. In a democratic society you respect her right to hold and express those views as she likewise respects your right not to hold or agree with those views and to express that, what you are not entitled to do is to libel someone because you don't like them or their views.

@nauticant

Following strong recommendations upthread I've started reading the judgment. Hardly started and I find this:

[8] It is important to note that Dr Jessen specifically states on his website that the reason why he decided to move from the traditional clinic setting to working virtually was because doctors can offer effective and efficient online clinic services to patients anywhere in the world, enabling patients who want to consult with him to do so, without the need to travel. The importance of this will become apparent at a later stage of this judgment.

This is going to be a page turner.

You cant be struck off or chased for negligence?

Theres a certain gender clinic that pops into my mind with that paragraph.

Theres a certain gender clinic that pops into my mind with that paragraph.

I thought I read a piece but have since been unable to find it, that he was involved with an online pharmacy

Well done. In my view, women who tell other women they're not feminists aren't feminists.

So now anyone can identify as a feminist; it means nothing at all?

So now anyone can identify as a feminist; it means nothing at all?

Pretty much

@StillFemale

Branleuse

I think people should be able to question any politicians fitness for office. People do it all the time with Johnson and Starmer dont they

But thats not what this particular thread is about, the title is very clear, it says ‘Arlene Foster suing Dr Christian’ and most here have been trying to do just that

As an aside it’s disturbing seeing the view of ‘only people with political views I approve of are allowed justice’ play out in front of us here.

Well no, shes allowed justice and good for her, but the only reason you care is because dr CJ is a TRA so its all about laughing that hes in trouble. You would unlikely be supportive of female TRAs particularly, or would you?

Abortion rights are one of my main interests in feminism. Its a hugely important issue and under threat all the time. What Irish and northern irish women have suffered because of these awful policies pushed by people like the DUP. They kill women. They keep women barefoot amd pregnant. These arent minor differences of opinion.
I cant understand why any feminist would support her. Who gives a fuck if she had an affair. Who gives a fuck if shes squabbling with some other bastard.
If its because youre so supportive of women despite their beliefs, why does this board rip apart people like Alice Roberts for example.
Its annoying me and i think it needs calling out. MN fwr board has been a great place to get educated and informed about these issues over the last few years, but threads like this

@Branleuse I think Dr Jessen views on the forced marriages of 12 year old girls are also killing women; or do women in Africa matter less than women in North Ireland? of course not! A woman not allowed an abortion in Ireland is far less likely to die in the process than a 13 year old in Africa, this doesn't make either suituation right but Dr Jessen views are not any better for women than Arlene's, he also had some interesting things to say about reasons for abortions
Maternal issues is one of the major causes of death in teenage girls especially under 15

Branleuse

I think you may have missed some of my earlier posts on this thread, so I've taken the liberty of compiling them together.

Just so everyone knows, the result of child marriage in the global south is that childbirth and pregnancy are the biggest global killer of girls aged 14-19.

People worry a lot about cultural relativism and being imperialistic, but they forget some things are material reality. It is a material constant that water is wet, you can't fit a grand piano through a cat flap, and that pregnancy is a physical strain on a female human's body.

There are various factors that make a pregnancy high-risk, and the mother being under 19 is one of them. For example, teenage girls are high risk for pre-eclampsia (which untreated, can lead to kidney damage and kidney disease later). They're also at higher risk of obstructed labour, as a consequence of having pelvises still too small to allow a baby's head and body to exit.

Again, this is a matter of material reality. Children are children- they have not finished growing, whether we acknowledge it or not.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4252753-May-23rd-International-Day-to-End-Fistula

Dr J's wiki page.

He is the author of Dr Christian's Guide to Growing Up(2013), a book aimed at children and adolescents dealing with question about puberty and sexuality.[12][13]He has also written the books Can I Just Ask?(2010),Dr Christian's Guide to Dealing with the Tricky Stuff(2015) and Dr Christian's Guide to You(2016).[14][15][16]

and

Jessen studied medicine as an undergraduate atUniversity College London, graduating in 2001.[1]
He holds a MSc degree ins exual health, and has a particular interest in HIV and malaria, which were the focus of his work for two years in Kenya and Uganda.[2]As well as his television career, Jessen is a doctor with Doctorcall at 121Harley Street, central London. An advocate for HIV education and testing, in 2015, he was named National HIV Testing Week Ambassador.[3]

I am that he seems unaware of the harm child "marriage" does to children, particularly girls. Does he think cephalo-pelvic disproportion (baby's wider than mother's pelvis) cares about international borders or local cultural expectations?

If you notice, Dr CJ (who has, as covered, apparently specialised in sexual health according to wikipedia) helpfully specified Niger.

Let's talk about Niger, shall we? This is an article from 2014.

Tahoua (Niger) (AFP) - With the world's highest birth rate in a country where first-time mothers are often barely past puberty, having a baby in impoverished Niger can be tantamount to a death sentence.

The West African state and humanitarian groups have worked to slash both birth and maternal mortality rates, but despite strides results are not good enough, the UN warned this week.

"Every two hours, a Niger woman dies from complications linked to pregnancy or childbirth," deplored Monique Clesca, the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) representative in the country.

(Continues)

At this age, the body is still fragile and not ready for maternity," said Yahaya Mani, a doctor working in the Niger countryside.

Official records bear this out, according to the UN which said a third of maternal deaths are among girls 15 to 19.

Continues: news.yahoo.com/high-birth-niger-strives-lower-maternal-mortality-040525639.html

Fast-forward to now with Unicef

"Little progress has been made to reduce maternal mortality: every year, 1 in every 187 women die during pregnancy, childbirth or after delivery. Less than one fifth of basic emergency maternal and neonatal care needs are covered, denying countless women and babies life-saving services."

From here www.unicef.org/niger/child-and-maternal-health

I've also found a stat saying that a woman in Niger has a 1 in 7 chance of dying from childbirth or pregnancy complications during her lifetime. That statistic will be driven up by the nation's high rate of child marriage. So a teenage girl's individual risk will be higher than that.

Someone dug Dr Jessen's opinion on reproductive choice up. It seemed that he didn't think reasons for pregnancy terminations were as culturally relative as forced marriage of 12 year olds, and he was happy to judge the former.

www.channel4.com/news/josie-cunningham-abortion-twitter-abuse-threats

Dr CJ on a woman choosing to exercise her bodily autonomy by terminating because she thinks pregnancy will interfere with her career plans:

Additionally, Dr Christian Jessen was one of those who tweeted on the subject – saying that it was a “new low, even for her” to his 300,000 fans. He also retweeted a comment that read: “She is a vile human being.”

So, let's recap. Having a termination for your career plans is vile, according to CJ. But judging a man for risking a teenage girl's life for his orgasm is... imposing Western moral standards?

[quote TeacupDrama]@Branleuse I think Dr Jessen views on the forced marriages of 12 year old girls are also killing women; or do women in Africa matter less than women in North Ireland? of course not! A woman not allowed an abortion in Ireland is far less likely to die in the process than a 13 year old in Africa, this doesn't make either suituation right but Dr Jessen views are not any better for women than Arlene's, he also had some interesting things to say about reasons for abortions
Maternal issues is one of the major causes of death in teenage girls especially under 15[/quote]
Dr Jenson isnt a politician in those countries making real life policies though is he. Hes a british tv celebrity and has a dickhead opinion on twitter like many people. Hes got no sway on rates of child marriage

And frankly, my differences in opinion with Dr Jessen aren't "minor differences in opinion".

I hope to goddess above the issue is that you missed my posts, anyway, because the alternative is unthinkable.

Theyre both awful people.