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Arlene Foster suing Dr Christian

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MissyB1 · 14/04/2021 16:26

Apparently he tweeted that she was having an affair (without any proof), and the way he put it was a spiteful little jibe about her being a “sanctity of marriage preaching woman” adding “it always comes back to bite them on the arse”
Now I understand he might have an issue with her as I think she was against same sex marriage. But this man always strikes me as an arrogant twat and a nasty piece of work.

I tried to post the link but I’m such a technophobe! it’s on BBC news website

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ThursdayWeld · 29/05/2021 18:01

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Spectacularly missing the point, there.
Triphazards · 29/05/2021 18:01

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Are you in favour of her being falsely accused of adultery and hypocrisy?
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 29/05/2021 18:06

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Hmm

Only supporting the free speech of people you happen to agree with on everything is what got us into this mess in the first place, and is a fast track to totalitarianism.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2021 18:07

So, according to the calculator on my phone, the £150k he's asking for could provide 363 women with surgery to restore their continence. Seems a bit more worthwhile, doesn't it.

Does a bit.

And on PP's point about Arlene. I vehemently oppose her politics and think she would probably loathe me. That doesn't mean she doesn't suffer misogyny and as a feminist, that's my fight too. Tomorrow I can have a go at her about gay rights and abortion.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2021 18:12

Nuance seems to be a tricky concept for some who disapprove of FWR.

Let's try to spell it out in short, simple terms.

I am pro same sex marriage/civil partnership. On this issue I expect I would disagree with Arlene Foster. There will be a great many more. Politically and socially, I am poles apart from the DUP. I expect most here are in the same position.

However, I don't feel CJ had any right to repeat a particularly damaging allegation which he must have known if he gave the matter more than a nanosecond of thought could destroy her political career, without apparently taking any pains to find out if it was true. He must have known it was defamatory. The only defence to defamation is that it's true. It wasn't.

If you want to destroy someone's political career, go against them with reasoned arguments. Find a true scandal, supported by evidence, they've been involved with, and expose it. This actually wouldn't be hard with the DUP. But don't make things up. That plays into their hands.

He could have saved himself by deleting the tweet promptly, apologising, taking more care in future. He didn't.

He ignored all the correspondence about the legal action. He had no reasonable excuse. He eventually had to attend the court case and standing up in court (on oath, I assume) he came out with one ludicrous excuse after another. His legal team must have been in despair.

This is not about being pro Arlene Foster and what she stands for. This is about being delighted about a huge humiliating defeat for a notable misogynist who thought he could say what he liked about a woman from Northern Ireland, because in his world view women are the support version of homo sapiens, not full people in their own right with feelings and rights, and Northern Ireland isn't important and nobody from NI, especially a woman, could touch an English/London-based celebrity.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/05/2021 18:14

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Just so you know.

Feminist boards generally not in favour of supporting the rape of children just because it's tradition.

We're the kind of people who want to tear such traditions down.

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NorthernIrishFeminist · 29/05/2021 18:14

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Supporting her against a misogynistic attack on her by someone well known for attacking women is not at all the same as being in alliance with the DUP Confused

It is possible to grown up enough to recognise and protest against something grossly unfair being done to someone we may disagree with or even dislike.

My moral values are not based on whether I like a person, if yours are that makes you a bad person.

ThursdayWeld · 29/05/2021 18:15

This is not about being pro Arlene Foster and what she stands for. This is about being delighted about a huge humiliating defeat for a notable misogynist who thought he could say what he liked about a woman from Northern Ireland, because in his world view women are the support version of homo sapiens, not full people in their own right with feelings and rights, and Northern Ireland isn't important and nobody from NI, especially a woman, could touch an English/London-based celebrity

Very irritatingly, I am going to say THIS!! to that. Thanks for summing it up, @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g.

justawoman · 29/05/2021 18:17

Arlene Foster was born in 1970. No doubt she was entirely responsible for the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign while she was in nursery school.

I couldn’t disagree more with her politics. But as others have said, that doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to make up extremely hurtful and harmful lies about her personal life.

The judge considers the allegation that she is ‘homophobic’ to have been part of the libel against her, by the way, if you read the judgement. He accepts that she is not. He also makes some nice remarks about the unanimous support she got from politicians across the political divide while she was dealing with the horrible libels against her.

altforvarmt · 29/05/2021 18:18

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
I don't there are many, if any, who've said they agree with her politics. It's on the feminism board because the rank misogyny of the defamation against her is recognised.
ArabellaScott · 29/05/2021 18:20

Ah, well, that's the thing. Horrible feminists will support women against misogyny no matter if we disagree with their politics. Shocking, I know.

CriticalCondition · 29/05/2021 18:23

I think I read on this board that feminism is about all women, even the ones you don't like.
Sounds about right to me.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2021 18:24

Cancel culture fans presumably can't get their heads around the idea that you can disagree with a person on issue A but agree on issue B and not expect them to be sacked for wrongthink. I doubt there's a single person alive I agree with on everything, and that's fine.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/05/2021 18:25

But also, if the women on this thread are "in alliance" with Arlene Foster, because we take her side when someone defames her (which a court has concluded he did!), then by the same token, Bouledeneige is "in alliance" with Dr Jessen.

Perhaps we could agree that none of us are "in alliance" with either, and we are making judgements about who was in the right in this situation?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2021 18:26

@CriticalCondition

I think I read on this board that feminism is about all women, even the ones you don't like. Sounds about right to me.
I utterly hated Margaret Thatcher. I still like that the UK has had a female PM.

The idea that simple thoughts, "Arlene bad" is a great position is what's killing critical thinking and free speech.

TheRebelle · 29/05/2021 18:26

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
People are not wholly bad or good, I don’t agree with her politics, I wouldn’t vote for her, but I will defend her right to her views and I think the judge made the right decision in this case. Clearly it is much more damaging to her reputation to accuse her of having an extra marital affair when she is very religious, comes from a very religious community/family and her policies are very conservative than it would be to accuse say, Boris Johnson who is well known for putting it about.
Chrysanthemum5 · 29/05/2021 18:27

Well the judgement is a joy to read. Other posters have highlighted the next bits but I encourage people to read the whole thing as an example of how someone with sense can see through someone like Jessen

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2021 18:29

Even Boris would have a complete defence to libel if somebody tweeted that he was having an affair with someone and it wasn't true. Objective truth still matters in the courts.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 29/05/2021 18:32

@Bouledeneige

Pretty surprised that a feminism board would be so wholeheartedly supportive of Arlene Foster. Apart from being personally embroiled in the green energy saga and mis-spending claims, she was leader of the party that led the Save Ulster from Sodomy campaign in the 1970s, which opposes gay marriage and is against abortion except for in the few cases of life ending disabilities. Okay a few of their policies may have been cosmetically softened under her leadership but she's not someone I'd want to be in alliance with. Very shocked.
Jensen is a big fan of Boris Johnson politically, are you going to take him to task for that? Johnson has a long history of homophobic comments
MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2021 18:32

I suspect that the plopper is more of a flocon de neige than a Bouledeneige.

CardinalLolzy · 29/05/2021 18:35

Christian could have found a lot to criticise about Arlene's policies. Instead he lied about her personal life. I will support anyone's right not to have lies made up about them and spread about the internet.

RoyalCorgi · 29/05/2021 18:36

Very shocked.

How awful for you.

Two pages ago you made a comment that Mumsnet deleted for breaking its guidelines. Most people won't have seen it. So for those who didn't: you repeated the libel and suggested it was true.

To clarify, this is what happened:

  1. You read that someone had been ordered by a court to pay £125k in damages for a libel.
  1. You decided to repeat the libel on the very thread that was discussing it.

Could you talk us through your thought processes between 1 and 2?

MrsBunHat · 29/05/2021 18:37

Hear hear Gaspode.

We all need to stand up to this dumb idea that you can't support someone you disagree with, feel sorry for them or think they've been wronged.

You are right allBouledeneige that many of us you'll find on FWR chat are left-wing, socialist, pro-choice feminists. And yet also largely understand that other people are human.

As for gay rights, they are currently under attack from woke transactivists. That's happened because of a rabid adherence to ideology and putting it above individual's rights, and refusing to acknowledge that everyone is human and has the same human rights. Perpetrated by supposed right-on social justice warriors.

I don't support Arlene's political views but she is a woman who was treated appallingly, criminally so, by an arrogant man because she was a woman in the public eye and he didn't think she mattered. She has a right to fight back and I support any woman doing that.

CardinalLolzy · 29/05/2021 18:37

Oops, lots of people have posted very good posts since I started responding to that idiotic comment!

ThursdayWeld · 29/05/2021 18:37

@CardinalLolzy

Christian could have found a lot to criticise about Arlene's policies. Instead he lied about her personal life. I will support anyone's right not to have lies made up about them and spread about the internet.
Dr Christian didn't think that a mere woman would be any trouble for him.