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Paedophile Apologist Book including chapter by Peter Tatchell
KittyPerry77 · 09/11/2018 20:32
Thought I'd share this as I found it interesting - referring to undermining the patriarchy and taking a leaf out of feminist's books in order to.............make paedophilia acceptable! It also states that the nuclear family needs to be broken up to make progress which I thought was interesting.
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It's from the book that has a chapter by Peter Tatchell.
You can read it here
ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/
arranfan · 10/11/2018 10:09
I've had another read through some of that material and the links and I'm still dealing shaking my head in disbelief at the distortions that were being propagated in plain sight.
That stuff about the Home Office funding and the infiltration of the Home Office - I have a feeling we'll never get any closure on that but it made me think of our current unease about funding sources for dubious organisations.
sackrifice · 10/11/2018 10:16
If you have a good hour to sit and read this thread, it is eye watering.
twitter.com/ciabaudo/status/1004258688859803648
TammySwansonTwo · 10/11/2018 10:46
I’ve tried to read through this but I just can’t. For years I’ve seen arguments that underage sexual contact is only traumatic because society tells children they should be traumatised by it. I know from personal experience that this is not the case. I was abused by my father as a child and although I didn’t understand what was happening I knew it was wrong and I knew how awful it made me feel, long before I ever managed to tell anyone about it. I still don’t know when the abuse started as large chunks of my childhood memory are missing.
TimeLady · 10/11/2018 15:13
He's not getting much support
twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1060964007471992834
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from me too, Tammy)
Ineedacupofteadesperately · 10/11/2018 15:25
Tammy so sorry.
I can never understand why men like this with an obvious agenda seem to have greater influence / more oxygen than actual survivors of childhood sexual abuse.
All this stuff makes my head spin and keeps me up at night. Paedophiles are evil, evil, evil. They destroy lives.
arranfan · 10/11/2018 15:27
"Non transwomen" are - surely - MEN?
Now, Peter Tatchell's argument in a tweet cited above is:
The best way to resolve this issue is by peaceful protest & by rational, evidence-based ideas that show why trans women are not a threat to non-trans women.
Tatchell seems to be attempting to create a binary and I mention this because @LadyPrincesexual aka janeclarejones has recently written about binary matters and it's very thought-provoking. A very simplified tl;dr would be that in that binary of trans women and non-trans women, it is the non-trans women would be subordinate in the hierarchy...
Okay… so a binary isn’t ‘X or Y.’ As I’ve said, binaries work by being both a) hierarchical and b) by defining the ‘inferior’ term by negation. A binary isn’t constituted as ‘X or Y,’ it’s constituted as ‘X and not-X.’ ‘European’ vs. ‘African’ is not a binary. The racial binary is constructed by white supremacy, and conceptually it functions around the contradiction, ‘white/not-white.’ So, to look at a specific instance, ‘Blackness’ is constituted by the white imagination as an inversion of the privileged qualities of ‘whiteness.’ (Particularly in this case, ‘civilized vs. not-civilized (primitive)’, ‘rational (mind) vs. not-rational (emotional, sensual, embodied), ‘human vs. not-human (animal).’
This whole thing gets into a right mess here, however, because the gender binary and racial binaries don’t map exactly onto each other. The gender binary is laid on top of the biological difference between male and female people. The racial binary isn’t actually one thing, because the ‘white/not-white’-structure functions in reality as a conceptual relation between ‘whiteness’ and various different ‘types’ of ‘non-whiteness.’ Therefore, you can’t make a straight analogy here.[1] The structure of the gender binary is harmful because it is hierarchical, and because it ties sexed bodies to certain types of acceptable social behaviours, but if we follow through on the analogy used here, what we get is the claim that the ‘real’ harm of the gender binary is that it erases the other ‘natural’ differences it’s laid on top of – i.e. that it erases the people who are neither male or female, which would be, actually, nobody.
janeclarejones.com/2018/11/08/on-the-being-of-female-people/
Coyoacan · 10/11/2018 17:41
Paedophiles are evil, evil, evil. They destroy lives
That so true. And it's not just actual abuse, it is all the freedom we end up having to take away from our children to keep them safe.
I live in a country where children go missing all the time, so have to keep a close eye on my dgd. When I was her age, five, we were out playing with our friends, with adults within calling distance, but otherwise unsupervised and I believe that is an essential part of childhood learning.
SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 10/11/2018 21:12
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DTSMUMBOJO · 10/11/2018 22:31
Just an aside, if you Google 'ethical' or 'non -abusive' paedophilia, you will come across modern day articles from the likes of the BBC, Guardian and Independent which present paedophilia as a legitimate sexual orientation and paedophiles who don't abuse as courageous, noble, brave and persecuted.
Since when was not raping people something that deserves praise? It is normality.
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KataraJean · 11/11/2018 08:20
Tammy
I agree with what you say about the argument that trauma only comes because society says children should be traumatised. That condones CSA and only serves the perpetrators, and is manifestly untrue. There is a book called The Body Keeps the Score, by van der Kolk, which explains the aetiology of trauma in child victims of sexual abuse, and the experience of dissociation which you describe as a coping mechanism by the brain.
The thing about these apologist narratives is that they do erase the very real harm caused to children and their wider families when there is a perpetrator in the midst.
I have not yet read the material linked to, but I do know and agree that there are still people who cling to what I imagine are the distortions in it. I have bookmarked to read later.
EverardDigby · 11/11/2018 08:38
There is so much more discussion of child abuse and its effects now that I think it's easy to forget that in the 70s, 80s and 90s even it was really not talked about as a "common" thing that we needed to be constantly on guard about, so there was little narrative to push against it as there is now. As far as I remember it was only talked about as being perpetrated by obvious paedophiles. The Courage to Heal book came out at the end of the 80s and I think that was part of the movement that helped women to start to realise that it happened to other people and it was something to campaign about and prevent it occurring in the future.
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