Terrible Toddler and twins and I can't stop crying

[1becomes3]

I Have only made it to 2 and half weeks of having my Dt's and i have had enough.
I knwe it was never going to be easy but i didn't expect to feel this crappy.

Sounds silly but, I have a c-section so I can't pick my dd up (who is the 22 month old terrible toddler in this)
it is making my life really hard as I have to rely on the help of other people to take care of her, she feels left out as she see's me holding the dt's and doesn't understand why I can't do things with her.
So she gets frustrated and then so does DH when he is looking after her, he has a go at her then I have a go at him for being an arse, then we fight which only upsets her more and makes her want to be held by me more.

Dh and I are at eachothers throats all the time as well because one of the dt's doesn't sleep at night so we are both really tired, and I can't stop feeling like shit because everytime I look at this dt I don't feel how I think I should about her, I know I must love her but tbh i don't like her.
God i feel even worse admitting that. I could never say that out loud I guess that is why I am on here.

I just feel so low and I am dreading my six week check up because when the Dr gives me the all clear I won't have the help I have now with dd, I don't know how I will cope on my own, I have tried to tell dh how I feel but he just shrugs it off by saying that he will help me, but he can't be with me during the day cause he has to work.

How am I going to cope with 2 babies and a toddler who is entering the terrible 2's early

Just seen this, hope you are ok 1becomes3. I rea;lyl do symapthise. When my dts were born, dd was 4, and ds1 was 2. ds1 has sn too, and was still very delayed at that point, so it was really like having a toddler and babies.

Can you find a preschool place for your dd? Even if not immediately, she should be able to start when she is two. My dts are being packed off later this week, now they are 2.

Def agree with contacting home start and sure start to see if they can provide any support. Your HV should be able to give you some ideas too. You NEED help, don't stop shouting until you get some.

My older two were very put out when the dts arrived, and it took them a while to get used to it, but they did get better. at 22 months will she understand sore tummy? And you can get her involved a little bit, fetching nappies and things, which might make her feel better.

Not sure where you are located, but if you are anywhere near me, I'd be happy to come and lend a hand for a few hours if I can. Off now to see if I can find out.

Just managed to find that 1b3 lives hemel hampstead area, bit far from me but maybe there are other mnetters closer?

Hi 1becomes3, I haven't read all the other threads, so forgive me if I repeat. You are actually in virtually the same situation as I was.My toddler was only 20 months when the dts came along and it does make a huge difference. I also had a c section as well.
My ds1 was in some ways quite indifferent to the dts, but he would sometimes just shake their carry cot or moses basket purely after out of curiosity just after I had got them to sleep.
I felt alternatively such anger at the poor little chap when he did things like that, and this tremendous crushing guilt about having turned his life upside down. He would also almost try and trick me into picking him up, as he would literally throw himself at me. I think I probably buggered my stomach up by picking him up too often out of guilt again.
I also found getting about a real nightmare, I had a double buggy that became a triple one, but often didn't leave the house much It was the winter though, I think in better weather at least you have that advantage.
I would agree that joining a twins group is a good idea, mind you, I didn't manange to do that until mine were 6 months. What about friends, a lot of my friends only had one child at this point, and fell pregnant with their second during this time. This meant that they helped me out a lot.
I did bf mine, and it did mean letting the toddler get on with things, but then I personally think you might have more time with your older one, because you dont' have to go through the whole sterilising making bottles up. Some babies take an age to go through a bottle.
Any way, I don't want to bombard you with information, but if you want cat me, I will email you, perhaps we could speak on the phone if you think it will help.
Lastly, I struggled with the whole concept of having twins, felt my love was less as it was divided, and struggled to bond with them in the same way. particularly dt1 who just cried and cried with colic. Any way, please contact me if you want

Awwww..it is hard work..there is no doubting it....trying to think back.....when my first set were born my others were 2 +5 days, 3, 5 and 7, so it was a bit easier for me as there was someone else to play with in the house.....

...i did buy lots of puzzles, books and toys for the 3 and 2 year olds as new stuff always occupy them...i did let them watch a lot of t.v ...but it is only out of character for such a short while....and if it helps ..do it.

You have to talk to DP/DH...and he can get on the phone and get your gp/hv round to help you out and see what they can do.....and you have to tell DH/DP how you are feeling and what he is doing isn't helping.

I did after a week of breastfeeding swapped to bottle feeding-daddies job before and after work was to make sure bottles were cleaned, sterilized and kept them coming..that way other people who came round could help out by feeding the twins and it would give you a bit of time with older children.....i know breast is best...but at the same time you have to decide what is best for you personally and for your other children....and with twins....as you know double the amount of sitting for a long time feeding....ideal for a first time mum...but harder for mum with other children...

...i got my 2 and 3 yeard old involved with the babies..fetching me nappies, helping bath, deciding what to dress them in etc....they really really appreciated that...and made them see the babies in a different way..a lot more caring and tolerant.

My twins feeding was all over the place, but when i stared taking the older ones to school myself a routine kinda set in with feeding/sleeping because of going out at the same times of day, so maybe if you could get out for a walk at the same sort of times each day..feeding might become a bit more easier and routine??

It will become easier with the c-section, you have to take it easy til 6 weeks..but you do start feeling back to normal a little before then-just keep in my that will get easier-but don;t over do it....

There is no right or wrong way to do the early months with twins...everyones experiences are different...they can only tell you what they did and its a game of seeing then if a certain peice of advice wotks for you...if not..try something else...

but do do do talk to those around you about how you are feeling..the worse thing you can do is ignore it..you will feel better for getting all worries off your chest...i know it dosen't help with all them hormones going haywire..but talk, talk and talk some more.

I hope some of this might come in uselful...!?!?

Emma.x

Oh 1b3, sending you huge ((((((((hugs))))))))). My oldest was 20mths when my DTs were born and there were moments when I remember bawling my eyes out in sheer frustration of not being able to meet all their needs at the same time. I was very lucky in that my toddler was already at a nursery (daycare kind) for 2.5 days a week and my mum came over for 2 days and nights a week for the first 6 weeks until I could drive and then over night once a week until the DTs were 4 months old.

I only managed 5 weeks of breastfeeding before a combination of oral thrust in the DTs, infected nipples and complete exhaustion made me switch to bottles. I'm glad I gave them the best start I could, but despite all the palaver of bottles, I was glad to be able to share the load (OH shared nearly all the night-time feeds with me) and it meant that my mum could look after the babies whilst I had some one-on-one time with DD1 - even if we just went to the supermarket together it filled up her 'mummy-tank' as another twin mum called it!

I can entirely empathise with your feelings towards your DT. I was completely paranoid about them crying too much and waking DD1, and me! And there were times in the first few months when I had to just leave them in their room and sit in the garden for 10 minutes. Having talked to another friend who has just recently been diagnosed with PND, I recognise some of the symptoms in how I was feeling, but I didn't acknowledge this at the time - to the outside world I just coped and didn't ask for help...so to reiterate what others have said, don't do this - talk to your GP/HV about what you're going through.

For DD1, I found she just wanted to be included - asking her to bring me the nappies/wipes etc when changing the babies, getting her to shake the bottles...she even used to pat their backs for me to help wind them. And once they were old enough to sit in their bouncy chairs, she would help hold one of their bottles. A bit further down the line she loved helping to feed them when we were weaning them (which made things even messier).

Throckenholt mentioned getting them all sleeping at the same time - definitely try and do this if you can...from about 10 weeks I got the DTs into a routine so that all 3 slept for 2 hours after lunch each day which gave me a break and a chance for some rest myself.

Herts Tech do a course where the students have to do a couple of term's placement - not quite sure where it is in relation to Hemel Hempstead and they probably wouldn't have anyone free until September, but it's worth booking your student...a friend has one who has finished her course but still comes to help once a week. this is the college I think Not sure about Hemel Hempstead, but I've heard that St Albans has a fab twins club which as someone suggested could be a life-line for you. My local one certainly was for me in the early days.

There's no denying that it is a hard slog and to be honest I found much of the first year hard going. But DD1 is 4 in July and my DTs were 2 in March and they all play together, laugh together and look out for each other. The DTs start at the same pre-school as their sister this week (like Kelly I'm shipping them off early!) and DD1 is so excited and talks about how she will look after them. Family life now is a real joy (most of the time!) and our hard work is paying dividends. For now, rest as much as you can - the housework etc can wait, treat DD1 to a couple of new DVDs or a bit more cbeebies than usual and sit and watch it with her.

Best of luck - thinking of you.
xxx

Oh my goodness, huge flashbacks and shudders. There is nothing like it in the whole world - its like getting onto a rollercoster, having the big bar shut down in front of you, and before you have time to think 'oh crap what have I done?', you're going and there is absolutely no way to get off.

With ds1, I couldn't wait to wake up in the morning and spend time with him. 20 months later, with the dts, my heart hit my stomach every time I opened my eyes.

And I had the same as you - I didn't even like one of mine for the first few weeks . I bonded so well with one, and I felt like crap for not caring about the other one, but I just kept functioning until everything calmed down a little bit, then when my emotions had caught up with me, I made a really conscious effort to bond with him and it worked. Now, I can't even imagine it at all, I love them both so much .

Also remember playing 'tag team' with dh - I was so desperate for him to come home so I could go pee or get dressed or whatever that I would virtually throw the children at him when he walked in the door. Hardly managed to be together at all, but it does pass. We promise, promise, promise. I would actually suggest having seperate rooms for a while so you can take it in turns to sleep. I used to sleep in the double bed with a dt on either side of me and just roll over in my sleep and plug a breast in to whichever was making the most noise . Dh got a good nights sleep in the spare room and about once a week would take a turn sleeping on an airbed downstairs with a stack of bottles ready and I would have full nights sleep (until my breasts woke me up screaming 'empty me! empty me!'). Everything settled down after 2 months when they went on the bottle (sorry Mars!) and got a better routine.

Yes, it is crap, and so unrewarding at first. My suggestion, if you need a boost, go and push them round the supermarket in a twin baby trolley and you'll have so many people stopping to admire them and tell you what an amazing job you're doing, by the end of it, you'll be bursting with pride (don't take them if you actually want to shop tho!)

Many hugs (((((((((((()))))))))))))))

1b3 - I am a few weeks ahead of you, the dts are 8 weeks tomorrow, they were born 3 days before ds1's second birthday! I also had a cs. You will feel physically much, much better by your 6 week check. And things will get very quickly easier once you are physically back on you feet again, I am actually smiling and enjoying all 3 of my children again.

I don't think its unusual (relieved to know I'm not the only one ) to feel resentment, dislike and question whether you love a difficult child (even a baby), I've been there, its a terrible feeling but it will pass when she is more settled and not giving oyu such a hard time. its also a really odd thing having twins, I've found myslef comparing my feelings for one them and feeling paranoid about my feelings not always being equal.

The misery at not being able to pick your dd1 doesn't sound silly, I have been in tears lots of times and feeling helpless in the same situation. The last couple of months of the pregnancy I also couldn't pick ds1 up, poor darling. Dh took over a lot of the emotional support for ds1, it hurt me like hell not to be number one anymore, but now it is more balanced again and so wonderful to be able to pick up ds1 again and carry him.

It is only 2 1/2 weeks, you are exhausted, had a major operation and clearly trying to cope with more than is humanly possible. Pat yourself on the back and congratulate yourself for doing what you are doing. It will get easier I promise! It has for me already!

The things that have kept me going over the last weeks are the help I have had, persisting to get the babies into bed early and into some kind of routine so they feed at the same time and not all the time. Rest when you can. when your dd1 has a daytime sleep cuddle up in bed with the dts to keep them calm or hand them over to someone so you can catch up on your sleep a bit.

Never say no to even the smallest amount of help from anyone.

I felt terribly guilty and very disappointed that I couldn't spend more time with ds1 or pick him up and felt very sorry and sad for him, but I do try to spend one bit of time a day with him, I always have and still do read ds1 a bedtime story even if it means the dts are left crying. Ds1 also always comes into bed with us in the morning and if either of the dts are in bed with us then I put them back in their own bed so the time is for ds1. Today he wasn't well and I fed one of the dts on one side while I cuddled him on the other. Before I could pick him up again I would cuddle him sitting on the floor or on my knee. Also talk to your dd1, you will be surprised how much she understands. I ask ds1 if he minds that I pick one of the dts up if the dt is crying when I am doing something with him.

At the moment I am avoiding as much as possible spending time on my own with all 3 for any length of time. This does mean that dh is using his holiday up when no one else is around (my sanity is worth more than holiday this year) and comes home early. Do you have some good friends with children that can come over, having play mates for your dd will be a great help and will mean that you are not left on your own with all 3 with a toddler demanding constant entertainment.

I also thought that ds was being a terrible 2's child, but after a few weeks he settled down again and is much more like his old self (still very demanding, but not so terrible 2's-sey).

Can you work out why one of the dts isn't sleeping? whether you can or not there are loads of people on here that can give you advice either about what the problem is or how to help her settle better at night.

Give your dh a hug and remind each other that you love each other.

Definitely email or talk to Mars, and please email me, we can chat more - ldgldg at bluewin dot ch.

L
xxx

Oh, lovely one. My heart goes out to you. That's such a rotten place to be.

I haven't read everyone else's posts yet, so I'll probably repeat stuff, but we've just got to 6 months with the DTs and DD. And it's been OK, so I'm going to tell you what I did and if any of it helps then it will be a good thing.

First of all, get help. Get friends to come round every evening to help you and DP with the babies and DD. Get them to hold one baby while DP holds the other, in a different room, preferably where you can't hear, and then you have 20 minutes with DD every evening so she knows she's having her mummy time before bed. Read her a story or whatever it is you do, and chat about the day.

Get a calendar, one of the small ones which little girls can turn the pages on, and go through the months together to about 3 months time, so you can show her where you'll stop feeling quite so tired all the time. Highlight that day, so she knows what you're working towards. She won't understand the time concept but she'll get the page turning hopefully. You can cross through each day as well, so she gets the idea, bit like an advent calendar.

Get help. Get someone to do some cleaning and while the hoover's on, and hopefully soothing the DTs, sit DD on your lap and cuddle. Even if it's only for a few minutes. I tried to make sure that once a day I gave DD a cuddle and said that it was her turn now as I put the boys down. Even if they screamed.

Get help. Get friends, family, someone off the street to be around in the evening so they can cuddle the screaming baby while you go away and go to sleep. You'll have more energy for the night shift and for the following day.

Make sure DP knows that this isn't because you think he's not able to cope. It's to help you both cope because twins are really, really hard work and he probably won't realise this. My DH is only just beginning to realise and this is after 6 months.

Get help. (There is a theme to this post! ) Get hold of homestart and tell them you need a volunteer to come in a morning (or afternoon depending on your most needy time of day) and get them to take all the children to the local park for an hour while you go to sleep. They will also wash up for you, play with the children, cuddle as required.

When you go to the Dr tell him/her everything you've said in this email, including the bit about not liking your DT. They do have resources to help if they know you need it.

My DH was still working in London for the first 3 months after the boys were born. I had someone come round every evening (if not two people) to cook for me, help me get the children to bed, tidy up the house, love DD and stay til 10.30/11ish in case I needed help with the first dream feed. It honestly kept me sane and meant that I could go and sleep while they looked after DT2 who was the non-sleeper. I had a homestart volunteer twice a week until I decided once was enough (after 8 weeks or so). I had friends around to take DD out to the park for a while, and I had a friend up the road who would come and clean the bathroom and hoover up for me every two weeks.

Your C-section will be healing up very soon, too, so it won't be long before you can cuddle DD. I think in Australia they say don't pick up for 3 weeks and after that it's OK, which is something to keep in mind. Maybe it won't be long before you'll feel comfortable enough to do more with her. I'm not a doctor so obviously you need to think about what's comfortable for you.

The other thing that might or might not suit you is that I'm really big on routine, and the boys started going to bed properly as soon as we got out of hospital. I use a blackout blind at our bedroom window, and I used to feed them at 3 hourly intervals which I began stretching as soon as I could. If you don't have a blackout blind, get someone to buy some blackout material and some stick on velcro for you and put one bit in the middle, and one at either end and stick it up everytime they go to bed, so it's dark.

And another thing I did was shove dummies in. Stopped the comfort sucking on me, and stopped the stressful noise. I don't do noise! We still use them.

Next thing - bfing. It's much easier to breast feed them, though it is hard work early on. I did and do all the feedig on my own because DH wasn't around for the first 3 months, and has no idea what to do with a bottle. AFter a couple of months I got mine on to a bottle for their afternoon feed so I can have a break - afternoon with DD, walk, whatever. Other than that they've been breastfed all through. Much easier than prepping bottles, but you've got to be gentle on your nipples because they're used so much - again dummies come in handy. I ended up with blisters on my nipples, DT2 throwing up pink sick (my blood!) and pain for about 3 weeks. But with discussion with Mars, nipple shields, afternoon bottles, routine feeding and dummies, I got through it and now everything's fine. I also stopped sterilising after 2 months because my boys are exceedingly robust, and I decided I didn't have the time. I prepare everything myself (no DH help with this type of stuff). I make sure I wash everything under running hot water with my fingers or with the bottle brush which is only used for baby bottles. For bfing I always tandem feed with an Eze 2 Nurse Twins feeding cushion. Well worth investing in from 2becomes4.co.uk.

And both DH and I have gone through not liking DD very much. The DTs were OK, but neither of us liked DD. I even got to the stage of thinking that she wasn't as pretty as I used to think she was. Feel v about that now, and I think she's gorgeous again these days. I also thought that DT2 was dim because all he did was cry. (Where did that come from??) At the moment, I seem to be fluttering around DT2 more than DT1, even though DT1 is a beautiful happy chap who grins for England. But my DT2 pulls the heart strings more at the moment. I've got quite good at just accepting that that is how it is right now and it will change again soon enough. Not something to worry about by everyone else's accounts.

I think it helped me not to have DH around for the first 3 months because it meant I had to rely on other people to help, and they did so much more than DH does. He's lovely, but quite hopeless. We're kind of rebuilding a relationship after 5 years of him working away all week with very busy and stressful weekends, so that also isn't easy. I tend to just ask other people to do stuff for me as it's easier than asking him, and I get less pissed off about it when he doesn't do, or doesn't understand what needs to be done, etc. Usual stuff.

God, this is long - I'm sorry! Just hoping that something will help.

And mail me (srbrooks at lineone.net) and call me if you want to. Just talking to someone can really help. You aren't far away from much better times, much easier times, when you're hormones aren't going to be all over the shop and you will be getting more sleep. For the time being though, please, please get yourself help, get some dummies, don't let the dr sign you off, get some sleep and things will be rosier.

Thinking of you. Doris xxx

1bwecomes3, there is some great advice here I think the common theme is that it is is tough there is no two ways about it, but that it doesn't last forever.
I think it is so important to accept any help offered. My Mum used to come round after work most eveings, and she would arrive between 5pm and 5.30pm, and god the relief.
Like Estar says, I used to virtually throw them into my dh's arms when he got home. In fact, I was completely shameless in getting other people to hold them. there was none of this anxiety about some one else holding my baby like I had with ds1. If some one made the mistake of saying they wanted to hold one, I couldnt't give them the baby fast enough. They would come and find me an hour later and say "Oh you must be missing your baby" "No, you're alright, you can have him for a bit longer" I would say airily
One of the things that I found hard, was that feeling of it not being like the intense feeling I had to my firstborn. I don't know what it is like for mothers who have dts first, but I felt too divided in my emotions.
Like Devondoris says, its hard how you find yourself responding to one, and then you feel guilty that you are not bonding or responding enough to the other. I too have phases where I feel esp close to one, and its something that I have to get used to, not feeling guilty about it I guess.
Any way my offer still stands if you want to talk to some one.
Sorry if my original post seemed a bit negative, I guess I was trying to remember how hard I found it at times to let you know that you are not alone

Sorry I'm back to be controversial again - making bottles is MUCH easier than spending hours with 2 small hungry babies attached exclusively to you.
And great idea to get DH to do - I'm working on that even if it is so simple evn my DH could do it. 1b3 you need to find as many ways of getting other people to be able to help you as possible and to get rest.
Easy sterilisation and bottle making-

1. Wash bottles - 2mins (or even better if organised use a dishwasher)
2. Microwave sterilise bottles - 5 mins
3. Fill bottles with boiled water (can be boiling if you're not using them straight away) and leave at room temperature, as long as they're closed they'll stay sterile till you need them -2 mins
4. Warm bottle when needed - you can use a cup with boiling water in for a few minutes or a bottle warmer but I find that 20 secs in microwave does the trick and if you shake well there are no hot spots. Even better, sometimes they're still warm from the boiling water so no mins! - 20 secs
5. Fill with milk powder - less than 30 secs. (Even quicker if you fill one of those milk powder travel containers in advance)

Total time from screming bay to made up bottle - less than a minute Total time for a days feed - less than 10 mins Total time saved as someone else can help out and you can sleep or spend time with DD1 - a few hours - tell me that's not easier. I had such a hard time going through trying and failing to BF and was made to feel like a devil incarnate mother for not doing it - see previous posting but DC1 and 2 are high achievers so that first one is a myth not to mention never been ill beyond chicken pox and a few minor sniffles. DC3 appears similar after 3 months so all the vitriol I've received has been from people who don't consider other's points of view. Rant over. 1b3 you need to look after yourself or you won't be able to look after DCs so do what suits you and don't let anyone tell you it's not good enough, you have enough to worry about without having to beat yourself up over feeding issues. Good luck and use your HV it's what she's there for and she should keep coming to see you as long as you need her to.

Cluttered... I don't think anyone here is telling 1b3 that she isn't or what she's doing isn't good enough. These are twin mums with differing experiences. We've all said that 1b3 should do what works best for her. There's no vitriol here.

1b3... how are you doing today honey? I'm sure you probably haven't even really got time to look in. I remember that exhaustion etc. But as we keep saying, we're here and we'll do what we can to support you.

Clutteredup - I'm with Mars again - absolutely 1B3 needs to do what she needs to do. All I was saying is that if you're doing it on your own (as I have been) then bfing in tandem with a good cushion is easier. With night feeding I used to fall asleep over the boys and wake an hour later and put them back to bed. My boys used to get 20 mins on during the day every 3 hours which made me sit down with a drink and a snack, and they did the same at night because they were used to that amount of time before they fell asleep. We used to stay there for an hour or so because I was asleep! Hunched up like an old hag! Now they bfeed for 10 mins if that 3 times a day. Bottle feed in the afternoon takes more time because I have to get it ready, although as I said, I like that I can give them to my mum once a month or so and escape for an afternoon, generally with DD.

This works for me. I'm not suggesting it would work for anyone else, but it may be something that could help. Just depends how that person feels about the feeding thing. I'm glad I managed to get through it, and I'm glad you got through your difficult times the way you did. Because at the end of the day, we did get through and that's what's important! Hope you SWIM! And hope 1B3 SWIMs too.

1becomes3, I hope that you are feeling okay today, I understand that it is very hard to post when you have such small babies, but maybe you can lurk and hopefully find some comfort from the fact that, we have all gone through this and come out the other side

Just popped in to send a quick hug to 1becomes3, and hope you are all well.

I absolutely love devondoris's suggestion of a calandar, I wish I had thought of that for my older two, I think it would have helped a lot.

Sending lots of strength to you 1b3.

I hope you've managed to find a bit of support, you're not alone.

Just to say that I'm thinking of you.

Sending you lots of positive vibes

Hello ladies thank you soooooooooooooo mcuh for all your advice, I have been sitting here with my pen and pad writing down notes from the posts to try out.

I have emailed mars for some help, as much as i would love to get on the phone and blub all day to all of you I just don't have the time and she seems to be the resident BF expert and I can do with picking her brains, but thank you for all the kind offers.

I am feeling a bit better at the moment, have actually had a bit of sleep.
DH and I ventured out with my parents the DT's and DD to ikea yesterday and we got stuck in a bit of traffic so we didn't get back in time for thier only, half an hour late. Anyway the non-sleeping twin had her dinner than chucked it back up a couple of hours later, so she was hungry again, but rather than feeding her as my boobs were sore I let her stay awake, while keeping her sort of happy for 2 hours before their 9 o'clock feed.
When they finally went down she slpet up until her 1 o'clock feed and then up until her 5 o'clock feed and then until 8.30

Well needless to say this morning I was over the moon, so tonight I think 2 hours before her food we will get her up and try and keep her awake till 9 and hope we get the same results.
I have my fingers crossed that if we do this everynight she wil finally get into the routine of being awake at that time and sleeping at night.

As for not liking her well I have realised thanks to octo's post that it isn't her I don't like it is her behaviour, which she can't help, I have been warming to her as she does pull some very funny faces and makes me laugh.

So I am feeling a little better, for the moment, let's hope my plan works with keeping her awake.

Again thank you all so much fo all you help, I will keep you posted on how I get on tonight (if have any time tomrrow)

Hiya 1b3. Have emailed you my number. Glad it seems to be going better. Call me and we'll talk. I've explained the best time to get me... esp if you want to blub my angel.... and believe me we twin mums (not saying you don't singleton mums... my first were singletons) can really blub! All that excess hormone and excessive tiredness.

Anyhoo..... enough of me.... looking forward to talking to you. If I can sort Doris and Leogaela.... then you'll be a piece of cake (I tell you those girls..... drew everything from me... such an ungrateful pair )

Good to hear from you 1becomes3, hang in there

We talked. She's doing well. I'm sure she'll post and tell you that.

Thanks for letting us know Mars

She may post that I'm a bossy cow though! lol

Just sent her off to babymoon bless her.

How are you 1becomes3?