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5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/03/2014 17:11

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

Increasing your % muscle and / or reducing your % body fat lowers the risk of death from all causes LowerRiskMuscle

Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and theyj can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve BendAge

Fasted training

i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF.
Most experienced exercisers soon manage fasted training without loss of performance for session of up to 90 mins.

Hormesis

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis is cutting edge science for nutrition and fitness.

Its principles are that alternating between "extremes" of feast and fast (5:2 / IF) or intense training and rest (HIIT), makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain , Hormesis-Edge , and AntiFragile The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is NOT necessary for fitness and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Walking outdoors is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref

Also low-moderate or steady state exercise tends to increase appetite, whereas intense exercise can suppress appetite for up to 15 hours.

BEST TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do both HIIT cardio and lifting / resistance training.

FAST Exercise

Dr Mosely developed a Fast Exercise program to complement his 5:2 WOE FastExercise

He lists many HIIT and strength routines that only take a few minutes, but can make significantly improve metabolism and fat-burning capability FastExercises

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are NOT adequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:

  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !

However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods.
Examples:
  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low etc.


HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis).

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT also improves the insulin metabolism, which is very important for health.

HIIT reduces risk of heart problems more than doing lower intensity SteadyState , pp. 31-34.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer HIIT classes, e.g. spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek*(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

Helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.
You can lift at home, or in the gym weights area, or in a pump class.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

WARNING
Do not lift massively heavy barbells, more than bodyweight, unless you are really fit with good technique.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Press ups
  • By far the best upper body exercise
  • Keep attempting one full pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms
  • Hand Release Pressups are good to build up strength for full ones
  • Also build up via inclined pressups InclinedPress , see bottom of wiki page
  • To increase the number of pushups IncreaseNum


ATG Arse To Grass bodyweight squat
  • The best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.

-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes.
-bring your arms forward
  • keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.


Pullups
  • Very few women can do full ones, but assisted ones build excellent muscle
  • Work the same muscles with the much easier Australian pullup or imverted row InvertedRow


If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups:
squats bent-over rows (press button "female") Behind neckPress (press button "female") dead lift

To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

To Build More Muscle
Lift lower (NOT Girlie) weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight-bearing exercises that load the bone along its length of these types:

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better for osteoporosis than lunges, also for knees:
The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Note: Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density, as it does not load bones along their length. Osteo

KETTLEBELLS Kettle
Beginners:
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

Improve your GRIP STRENGTH GripMen , BodyBuild

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Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
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Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages: HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE
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BigChocFrenzy · 18/04/2014 23:47

....or like a strong woman (or chap in B&W's case)

5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)
5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)
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womblesofwestminster · 19/04/2014 14:27

Folks, I've injured my left quad by doing HIIT on the treadmill. Which means that today I was unable to my usual HIIT :(

Any tips on speeding up my recovery?

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/04/2014 18:31

No real short cut. If it's just a minor injury, then rest from exercising it, or it will take longer.
Eat clean, drink lots of water, sleep well.

For say a week, concentrate on working your upper body and abs, then see how the leg feels.
Loads you can do, e.g. press-ups, tricep press, planks, crunches, bench press, bentover row ....

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Breadandwine · 22/04/2014 13:14

A few PBs to report, guys!

  1. My kettlebell reps are now up to 12/15
  2. Doing a one off, slow, pull-up, I managed a lift of 14.5 inches - or 37cm! I fancy I'll concentrate on building these up, rather than the 'mini-lifts' I've been doing.


But, most excitingly of all:
  1. This morning I managed 5 (that's five!) times hitting a TT ball with the edge of the bat!


The demo I've been watching has the guy knocking the ball up in the air with alternate sides of the TT bat, then hitting it with the edge - switching from one to the other. It's all about control, apparently.

Anyway, it's giving me hours of fun! Grin
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ErrolTheDragonsEgg · 22/04/2014 13:23

B&W - awesome! For your next challenge, do it standing on one leg Wink

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/04/2014 21:42

That's excellent, B&W
See how you've progressed with the new kettle and the pullups since you started.
Smile
At your stage of training, it is useful to concentrate for a while on sets of a single maximum pull-up instead of longer sets.
After a month, you could do longer sets again

This is in effect your "one-rep maximum", so I suggest instead of longer sets:
. Maximum effort for 1 pullup
. Rest completely 3-5 mins (no other exercise, just sit back & listen to music) and try again.
. Rinse & repeat 4-5 times if you can

Incidentally, this is a specialised form of HIIT.

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/04/2014 21:45

Errol Now Easter is over and you are fit again, have you resumed your various sets of press-ups every other day ?
The only way to be good at something difficult is to keep doing it.
E.g, The classic 10,000 reps to go from zero to skilled / competent

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ErrolTheDragon · 22/04/2014 23:37

What do you mean, now Easter is over? Some of us kept going you know. Wink

I did some yesterday - on the floor, wide arm, getting down to chest one cushion-height from the floor. The Ripped in 30 L4 has narrow-arm press-ups, which I'm doing 'girly' but they're still quite hard, and what she calls 'forearm press-ups' - where you start in extended arm plank position, drop to forearm on one side, then the other, then up again. 30 secs leading with each arm.

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Breadandwine · 23/04/2014 00:09

Thanks, BC.

Managed four 3.5 of the slow pull-ups, tonight, happy with that.

Each of my press-up sets - 4 in all - now begin with 5 'proper' press-ups - nose to carpet and lift again - followed by 15 floor slaps. I then go straight into 60 sec planks.

BTW, 73 hits today on the exercise page on my blog - 134 all told. I told a woman on Twitter, who asked for advice on exercise, that HIIT, together with 5:2, was the best combination, pointing her in the direction of your post. Smile

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Breadandwine · 23/04/2014 00:12

For your next challenge, do it standing on one leg Grin

That reminds me of my challenge from the last exercise thread - see how long you can stay on one leg with your eyes shut.

Anyone try that recently?

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MazzleDazzle · 25/04/2014 09:51

Right folks, I'm in the danger zone and need some help.

Since returning from holiday I've found this WOL really tough. Thought I was back in the swing of things, then the totm arrived when I was ravenously hungry, then my children decided to take it in turns to wake through the night. It's the fourth night in a row I've had a broken night's sleep. Every day I plan to fast tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes. I feel like a zombie.

Usually I manage to talk my self round when I start to slip back into bad habits, but this time I'm really struggling.

I'm not drinking enough water, I'm constantly snacking on junk and I've hardly been on here at all.

I need to get back on track and back to losing weight.

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2014 10:31

OK Mazzle, you're here now so that's the first step! So first thing, go and drink some water. Have a Brew as well - tea and coffee are hydrating. Don't have a snack with it!

Can you get any sort of nap? Can't remember your situation re kids etc so may be impossible but 15 minutes after lunch can be very restorative and get you through the rest of the day. Any chance of a little bit of a lie-in or rest over the weekend?

And stop beating yourself up. TOTM will pass at least.

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2014 10:35

Oh, and since this is the exercise thread ... if you can do something active - preferably out in daylight - that'll help the zombification. (my DD was an appalling sleeper, BTDT, survived!)

Flowers

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MazzleDazzle · 25/04/2014 10:55

My head is in such a fuzz I thought it was the main thread! I'll cut and paste.

Thanks for the advice and kind words Errol.

I shall drink 2 glasses of water right now! Little steps.

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ErrolTheDragon · 25/04/2014 11:35

Yeah, I thought that might have happened - easily done when you're zombified!

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/04/2014 18:37

COMPONENTS OF FITNESS

Cardiovascular fitness Vo2 Max

Cardiorespiratory endurance the efficiency with which the body delivers oxygen and nutrients needed for muscular activity and transports waste products from the cells.

Muscular strength the greatest amount of force a muscle or muscle group can exert in a single effort.

Muscular endurance the ability of a muscle or muscle group to perform repeated movements with a sub-maximal force for extended periods of time.

Flexibility the ability to move the joints (for example, elbow, knee) or any group of joints through an entire, normal range of motion.

How fit are you ?
Useful fitness calculators: FitCalc
And a quiz to help you decide: Quiz

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MazzleDazzle · 27/04/2014 09:26

Wow B&W you've improved enormously!

If I can tear myself away from MN I'm planning on going for a run this morning. I'm up to 5K now and need to be competent at 10K before I tackle The Beast Race in Sept. I also need to get my strength up if I'm to get past each obstacle!

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Breadandwine · 27/04/2014 10:26

Wow B&W you've improved enormously!

I have, and I'm left wondering why I didn't do all this many years ago. But, and it's a big but, I don't have any of this to contend with:

totm arrived when I was ravenously hungry, then my children decided to take it in turns to wake through the night. It's the fourth night in a row I've had a broken night's sleep. Every day I plan to fast tomorrow, but tomorrow never comes. I feel like a zombie.

I feel humbled when I look at what you mothers have to put up with.

I have great faith that you will meet your targets - and I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines!

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ChocolateTwist · 27/04/2014 10:42

Mazzle good luck with your run! Do you know what the obstacles will be yet or do you need to be prepared for every eventuality?
BigChoc I'm just popping up again to let you know that I went to the gym at 8AM to try a session of HIIT, I'm not entirely sure I did it right but you were right, I've only just been hungry enough to want breakfast and it was really exhilarating to do :)

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MazzleDazzle · 27/04/2014 13:28

Aww thank you B&W!

These are the obstacles choc. HIIT is exilerating, isn't it? And you see improvements quickly, so it's encouraging too.

Managed 7.5K then some yoga. Just broke my fast with a 3 egg omelette and some roast veg cous cous. Logging everything on MFP today to keep me on track!

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Breadandwine · 27/04/2014 16:15

MAZ! Whatever possessed you to enter this? You must be mad - seriously, mad!! Shock and [awe!]

But all the best with it..[mad fool!]

Grin

The bravest person there was undoubtedly the mankini man [mad fool nr2]! I wonder if the garment stood up to the travails of the course?

Grin

I've just had a lightbulb moment and remembered the loft ladder. This comes down at an angle of 60 degrees and I've discovered that, standing behind it I can get my hands on one of the rungs at the right height - using the underhand grip.

And I can now announce that I can officially do one chin-up - from my arms fully stretched, to chin resting on the rung!

Now to find the other nineteen! Grin

I'll use the method you outlined about, BC.

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/04/2014 20:58

Wow, B&W well done on that full chin-up. That's great, clearly shows how strong you have become. I bet your son will be impressed.
Smile
Glad to hear you're enjoying HIIT, Mazz, ChocTwist

Mazz That's what I call Beastly Shock ^^
Those hunks in shorts with the lovely abs Grin ^^
But that twit with a mankini stuck between his buttocks Shock
Ah, bless. He'll need surgery after the race to extract that ! Grin

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/04/2014 23:47

Wow, mazz - looks mad fun.

Well done B&W! We've just had a loft ladder installed but I'm not sure its sturdy enough to try hanging from it (not that I have delusions of being able to do chin-ups, but my DD reckons she's taller than me now so I could do with a stretch Grin)

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BetsyBell · 28/04/2014 08:31

Loft ladder for pull ups! That's genius b&w!

mazz That. Looks. Awesome. Hope mankini man doesn't turn up to your event, ewwwwwwww. Topless hunks would make a fine distraction though.

I fell off a high parallel bar thing trying to do pull ups the other day, lucky I managed to tuck my arms in in time or I'd've dislocated them I think!

Right, really must get my running stuff on and make an effort to get to the park , I might avoid the high parallel bars today though...

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Miffytastic · 28/04/2014 20:51

Hiya thanks to Bigchoc I'm getting my self over here for some exercise inspiration. I've been a bit scared of doing HIIT as not sure I have the cardiovascular or body fitness levels at present. However I am willing to give it a go as weight loss is required!
So BC here is where I'm at right now:
I enjoy running, outside where I live which is a steep sided valley so I tend to run either on the valley bottom or stomp up the hills and the run along the hill tops and down. Today was a first in that I used an interval app and did 10 mins warm uo then 10 mins of 1 min of running uphill/1 min walking then I jogged home for 15 mins.
I also like zumba and know enough now to seek out the higher intensity classes. I have an elliptical trainer in the garage which doesn't get used as often as it should. It's a decent one with interval programmes on it. Also like cycling and walking but don't tend to think of these as fat burning exercise. I don't own any weights at present. Doing DVDs or stuff in the living room doesn't really work with the kids/DH around, I prefer taking myself off out.
I am an apple shape and have at least a stone to lose - BMI is 25.0 right now :(

Life is busy of course but realistically I could find time to exercise 4 or 5 days a week. What do you recommend? Thank you Thanks

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