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5:2 Exercise & Fitness Thread Number 2: Advice and information for those following 5:2 / IF (Intermittent Fasting)

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/03/2014 17:11

Why Exercise ?

Maintaining a normal bodyweight and taking regular exercise are 2 major areas of life which we can address to improve our health.

Regular exercise helps reduce the risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, some cancers, osteoporosis, dementia, depression.

Increasing your % muscle and / or reducing your % body fat lowers the risk of death from all causes LowerRiskMuscle

Regular exercisers gain the greatest benefits over their lifetime and theyj can minimise biological aging, i.e. "Bend the Aging Curve BendAge

Fasted training

i.e. training on FDs, seems to increase the benefits of both training and IF.
Most experienced exercisers soon manage fasted training without loss of performance for session of up to 90 mins.

Hormesis

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
Hormesis Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis is cutting edge science for nutrition and fitness.

Its principles are that alternating between "extremes" of feast and fast (5:2 / IF) or intense training and rest (HIIT), makes the body more resilient.

The intermittent stress of lifting an extreme weight or performing at high speed for a short period pushes the body to overcompensate and prepare for an even greater future challenge HormesisTrain , Hormesis-Edge , and AntiFragile The following recovery period avoids damage from over-stressing.

INEFFICIENT: Low-Medium Intensity Steady state Cardio

Steady state cardio is NOT necessary for fitness and should only be a small part of your weekly cardio, unless it is all you can manage to do.

Walking outdoors is beneficial psychologically, is easy on the knee joints and has some physical benefits.

However, at speeds of 5mph or faster, running will burn more calories per mile than walking Ref

Also low-moderate or steady state exercise tends to increase appetite, whereas intense exercise can suppress appetite for up to 15 hours.

BEST TYPES of Exercise

HIIT cardio and resistance training / weight lifting are recommended to boost the effect of 5:2/IF, to increase weight loss, reduce body fat, retain muscle and maintain TDEE / BMR.

Anyone who is not specialising in a sport at a high level should aim to do both HIIT cardio and lifting / resistance training.

FAST Exercise

Dr Mosely developed a Fast Exercise program to complement his 5:2 WOE FastExercise

He lists many HIIT and strength routines that only take a few minutes, but can make significantly improve metabolism and fat-burning capability FastExercises

HOW to Exercise

The cardio machines and the girlie pink dumbbells that gyms push are NOT adequate to significantly improve fitness or burn fat.

Whether you join a gym or train at home or in the park:

  • Train as intensively as your time, health and fitness level allow.
  • Do not remain in your comfort zone, or you will not improve.
  • You are supposed to drip sweat and pant heavily !

However, a brisk 30 mins daily walk plus 5 mins hoop is better than nothing and if done regularly will bring some health benefits.

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)

HIIT is an exercise strategy which alternates brief intervals of high intensity exercise with less-intense recovery periods.
Examples:
  • 20 seconds high intensity + 10 secs recovery
  • 60 sec high + 30 sec low etc.


HIIT is very time-efficient, producing the greatest fitness benefit in the least time (the advantage of hormesis).

Scientists have proved that HIIT burns more fat than steady state lower intensity exercise and speeds up the metabolism, which helps burn more calories for up to 48 hrs.

HIIT also improves the insulin metabolism, which is very important for health.

HIIT reduces risk of heart problems more than doing lower intensity SteadyState , pp. 31-34.

HIIT increases both aerobic and anaerobic endurance

HIIT can be applied to cardio: e.g. cycling, running, skipping, jumping, mountain climbs or to bodyweight exercises, e.g. squatting, situps, burpees, pressups

Most gyms offer HIIT classes, e.g. spinning, circuit training, CrossFit, Tabata, Fartlek*(Fartlek = HIIT with irregular intervals)

RESISTANCE Training / LIFTING

Helps retain muscle mass during weight loss and hence to maintain TDEE.
You can lift at home, or in the gym weights area, or in a pump class.

It is best not to train the same muscle groups 2 days in succession, so have rest days, or cardio, or train different muscle groups on different days.
Try to build up to weight training for 30-60 mins twice per week.

Reps = the number of repetitions in a set of a particular lifting exercise
Sets are normally separated by brief rests E.g. you might do 3 sets each of 12 reps all of the same exercise.

WARNING
Do not lift massively heavy barbells, more than bodyweight, unless you are really fit with good technique.
Women who have given birth and / or are aged 40+ have a higher risk of pelvic floor / prolapse injuries when lifting heavy than young non-mums.

Press ups
  • By far the best upper body exercise
  • Keep attempting one full pressup rather than doing several dozen girlie ones with your knees on the floor.
  • Once you can do one pressup, you will soon be able to build up to 5, then 10 etc.
  • Tip: keep the abs rigid, so strong abs are as important as strong shoulders & arms
  • Hand Release Pressups are good to build up strength for full ones
  • Also build up via inclined pressups InclinedPress , see bottom of wiki page
  • To increase the number of pushups IncreaseNum


ATG Arse To Grass bodyweight squat
  • The best exercise for the large muscle group in bum and thighs.
  • Basic principle: It is like having a pee on a public loo - get your bum down low and pointing to the rear, but not actually touching the seat.

-Lean back on your heels, so that weight is on them, not on your toes.
-bring your arms forward
  • keep your back straight, but angled slightly forward, not vertical.
  • Go down as far as you can without knee pain.


Pullups
  • Very few women can do full ones, but assisted ones build excellent muscle
  • Work the same muscles with the much easier Australian pullup or imverted row InvertedRow


If you have access to dumbbells / barbells, then for maximum effect, work the large muscle groups:
squats bent-over rows (press button "female") Behind neckPress (press button "female") dead lift

To increase Strength Rather than Muscle Mass
Lift as heavy as you can, low reps, with 1 minute rest between sets e.g. 5 sets x 5 reps each, i.e. totalling 25 lifts.

To Build More Muscle
Lift lower (NOT Girlie) weight, do 3 sets x 8-20 reps, i.e. totalling 24-60 lifts.

AVOID OSTEOPOROSIS

To retain bone strength and avoid a painfully disabled old age, start now:
Ideally weight-bearing exercises that load the bone along its length of these types:

Impact exercise E.g. walking, running, jumping, skipping rope, step class, hitting a heavy punch bag.

Lifting: squats, press-ups, bench press, overhead press etc.

Squats are much better for osteoporosis than lunges, also for knees:
The weight in a squat is transmitted down along the spine, through the hip, and down along the bones of the leg, whereas in a lunge, it is transmitted across the shinbone and puts pressure on the knee joint.

Note: Cycling normally does NOT increase bone density, as it does not load bones along their length. Osteo

KETTLEBELLS Kettle
Beginners:
. Two-handed swing
. Sumo Deadlift
. Turkish Getup
. Swing
. Clean and Jerk
. Press

Improve your GRIP STRENGTH GripMen , BodyBuild

CALCULATORS:
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Estimate your fitness age: FitAge
Estimate Vo2Max iTunes App: Vo2APP
Body Fat Calculator:BF
Healthy Body Fat Percentages at Different Ages: HealthyBF
TDEE with detailed activity times: TDEE
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BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2014 14:16

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Breadandwine · 08/04/2014 19:00

Thanks for that, BC - I'll comment on that later.

I came on to give you about how to increase your number of chin-ups.

Turn your volume down, he's a bit lot shouty.

My Q. is: The guy maintains that you should do a few reps whenever you can - a quick 4 or 5 reps then move on. Is this a good idea? I was thinking earlier with the kettlebell, give it a few swings whenever I think of it.

What d'you reckon?

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2014 20:08

B&W I would have to plan chins, to ensure I do them, because I dislike them !
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If you enjoy them, then adding a few at whim is probably ok.
However, you build muscle and the ability to do an exercise by doing a lot of reps, then letting the muscles rest at least 1 full day.
So, I personally would recommend the conventional way, for quicker progress.

Hanging without lifting is much less stressful, so no problem doing that on a whim, so long as you feel fresh.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2014 20:11

The conventional way is also recommended for kettles and any other exercise.
I think he is targeting those who are insufficiently motivated tp do a proper training session.
A little is better than nothing at all, but proper training and rests are better than ad hoc

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Breadandwine · 11/04/2014 00:59

Thanks, BC.

Just read an article in the Mirror telling us to stand up more - 'Sitting is the new smoking!'

Standing for three hours a day is the equivalent of running 10 marathons a day.

(I'm standing up to type this! Well, if it's good enough for Victoria Beckham...Grin)

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BetsyBell · 11/04/2014 14:41

Isn't that 10 marathons a year B&W?!

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ErrolTheDragon · 11/04/2014 14:53

Grin Not even Eddie Izzard could do 10 a day.

Curious about that diagram with sitting back at ~135 degrees being better than sitting straight - the text doesn't give any details, I assume that's just for back strain not all the other ill-effects of sitting. I actually do sit quite like that, and with my feet up on a stool under my desk which is at nearly the same height as my chair.

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Breadandwine · 11/04/2014 19:26

Oops, yes, 10 marathons a year. Well spotted, guys! Grin

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GetLeanOrDieTrying · 11/04/2014 19:36

Oooohhh. Just found this by accident. Marking my place to read laterGrin

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Darkhorsefor1 · 12/04/2014 10:11

Belated thanks for thread bigchoc, I keep getting mired in your OP, then rarely getting past links.

I must stand up more. Ok. Hauls self up, oh that's not as bad as I thought. The amount of time I spend on mn, if I did it standing would be several marathons.

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Labracadabra · 12/04/2014 10:40

I've just got myself some weights (been doing 30 day shred with cans of soup!) and they each weigh 5lbs/2.25kg. They certainly make my arms ache when I do Jillian's exercises with them but are they girly? They are purple Hmm

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/04/2014 12:02

Labracadabra JM or shred is great for those who exercise at home. Several JMers here.
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Light weights are ok for such routines with very quick movements, which improve your cardiovascular system and burn fat.

To build muscle, I recommend you also do slower sets with heavier weights or bodyweight exercises, e.g. press-ups, squats and tricep dips, say 2 weekly sessions.

This will maintain / increase your TDEE even during weight loss.
Also, scientific studies have shown that increasing %muscle in your body is directly related to health and life expectancy. Win-win !

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/04/2014 12:09

Errol The 135 degree sitting angle, which is recommended for back health, mainly comes from a 2006study ErgonomicDetail

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/04/2014 12:19

To build muscle via barbells / dumbbells, choose weights sufficiently heavy that you can just manage 2-12 reps per set, with 1-3 mins break.
The last rep of each set should feel very tough.
Aim for 3-5 sets per session.

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/04/2014 12:14

A few bodybuilders or heavy lifters may do supersets for special reasons, but (if successful) they have the expert knowledge to tailor these to their body.

The conventional method to build muscles and strength, which is suitable for most people, is repeated sets of the same exercise, then moving to the next muscle group. Thus, maximum loading, plus recovery pauses.

The usual reasons for someone doing supersets are NOT because it is best for them:

  • Most commonly, lack of knowledge about lifting.


  • Doing sets in succession of the same exercise can be physically or psychologically tough for some folk.

Can be boring if you dislike lifting anyway. Gyms worry that bored customers may not renew their subscriptions.

  • Some gyms use supersets for logistical reason: in classes like pump, because there aren't usually enough heavy weight plates for barbells or enough heavy dumbbells for say 15 people to load their muscles to the max for individual sets and breaks.


- Lifters training at home may not have sufficiently heavy weights, so again supersets may be best for them to get a good lifting workout.
Also to avoid boredom.
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Breadandwine · 17/04/2014 17:29

As I've said on the Maintenance thread, I've had a chest infection for the last fortnight - and now I've been given another 14 days anti-biotics.

Apart from a bit of a cough, I'm absolutely fine, so I'm carrying on exercising, without pushing it.

And I have a small victory to report! (We need a new acronym for this.)

I have an 11 inch cast-iron frying pan, which I use almost daily. However, at 3kg, it's very heavy, so I've always used two hands to move it about - and I've never been able to 'flip' the food in it, as I do with my other non-stick pans.

Until, that is, yesterday, when I did just that. Hooray! I'm not quite in full control of it with one hand, yet, but I can definitely give it a bit of a flick!

I'm now up to 10 reps in 2 sets of my kettlebell exercises, so I'm a quarter-way to reaching my short-term goal of 20 reps. Once I get to 4 sets of 20 reps I'll think about buying a bigger KB! [gulp]

Who'd a thowt it, eh? Grin

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ErrolTheDragonsEgg · 17/04/2014 19:34

Labracadabra - I'm a serial shredder /ripper - I've got a mix of weights depending on what the exercise did. I'm gradually using bigger ones - today's L4 Ri30 mostly used the 10lb pair. I've been doing a few extra things with those per BigCHoc's advice, and also the bodyweight ones. But there's still some moves which need smaller weights (e.g anterior raises I've just about gone up to 5lb from 1.5kgs).

B&W hope the chest clears up soon, and congratulations on your sNSV - that's one I can empathise with, I've always avoided cast iron cookware.

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Breadandwine · 18/04/2014 01:58

Thanks, Errol - I'm looking on it as a bit of a challenge. And I can be stubborn when I put my mind to it!

As regular readers will know, I'm a great fan of BC and her knowledge and advice - not to mention the time she puts in, and the care she takes in answering each and every query.

So I've asked her if she would agree to including her info on my blog, which she's agreed to do.

I've posted her OP, plus a couple of Q and As that I've lifted of this thread. Eventually, I hope to add all the ad hoc advice she deals out on a regular basis. My reasoning behind this is that friends of mine, who wouldn't perhaps be interested in looking at a Mumsnet thread, would be happy to look at the info on my blog.

A side effect will be that all BCs info and advice will all be in one place, making it an easy reference point.

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/04/2014 14:10

Sorry to hear about your chest infection, B&W. That's been hanging around quite a while, so let's hope these latest antibiotics do the trick.

Strength training is fine if you feel ok, but I'd advise not doing much running or sprinting until your lurgie is long gone: too much cortisol is not good for your already stressed immune system.

Nice to see the GumBunny blog is up
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BigChocFrenzy · 18/04/2014 14:16

Running, Immune System

A 20 or 30-min run can boost immunity to disease, but if you have existing infections be careful not to over-stress your immune system.
However, even for healthy people, 90 mins+ generally lowers immunity.

This is because intense exercise after about 90mins increases cortisol by an amount which suppresses the immune system, for up to 3 days.
The slow-twitch muscles used for running (but NOT sprinting) use the same simple sugars as fuel that the immune system needs. The body can't provide sufficient for both over the longer period.

I recommend that those who mostly run swap at least one day for HIIT sprints, which will increase fitness with lowering immunity SportsMedicine RunImmune

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/04/2014 14:18

HIIT sprints, which will increase fitness withOUT lowering immunity
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ErrolTheDragonsEgg · 18/04/2014 14:24

B&W - maybe next year you'll be able to participate in a pancake race with that pan ... with your flour and water pancakes of course.Grin

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Breadandwine · 18/04/2014 17:59

Any ideas for swimming HIIT in a 50m pool? All the guidance I've read indicates 25m lengths, and there's no way in a public pool to change speed like that really, as I'm going to have to change lane to do my HIIT sprints and rests?

piecofjustice - and any swimmer, really - would there be any benefit in underwater swimming for HIIT? Dive in, swim under water for, say 30 seconds, complete the length, then do the reverse a couple more times.

I do this in a small pool - and it really extends one! Depends on the gap between each effort, of course. And as you can hold your breath a bit longer, you can up the 30 seconds to your limit.

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Breadandwine · 18/04/2014 18:02

Sorry, forgot to say thanks for that advice, BC!

Good thought, Errol! I'll bear it in mind for next year - when I'll probably be looking for a heavier frying pan! Grin

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/04/2014 23:45

Are you training like a hamster ?

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