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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 21! Soaking up the Sunshine

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BetsyBell · 04/06/2013 09:04

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Breadandwine · 11/06/2013 11:06

Meant to say, glad it went well, saf - as others have said, just relax and go with the flow until you're ready to IF again.

Dotty342kids · 11/06/2013 11:08

Go for it Monster! You're sounding super motivated today Smile

monster54 · 11/06/2013 11:19

Thanks dotty I am feeling it today!!!

I was having a relatively low cal day yesterday till I shoved a large slice of cake in my face!!!

DH was away and I was miserable...I am such a ridiculous emotional eater and I hate that I have to eat things that are hanging around to stop them going to waste....

Urrggghh!!!

postmanpatscat · 11/06/2013 12:25

Hello all :)

Help me out with a dilemma please...DP keeps calling me skinny and telling me not to lose any more weight. I suspect this is mostly evident because I've reduced from D cup to B Blush. I'm naturally a v lean person until recent overindulgences took their toll and led to me starting 5:2 back in Feb. I'm now fairly settled at 8st 7 (I'm 5ft 4) and happy there, not trying to lose any more weight but doing 6:1 and exercising 3-4 times a week. We go to the gym together where I will burn about 500 cals to his 1300!!

We've been together 2.5 years so he has never seen me at my lightest - I was around 7st 10 when I left school at 18 and stayed under 8st 7 for many years until my first pregnancy aged 29. I feel like I've got back where I belong, DP sees it differently. Last night he asked DD2 if she thought I'd lost too much weight and she hedged her bets helped by me mouthing 'no' at her behind his back but she's heavier than me at the moment so is perhaps a bit envious.

DP also started a get fit/healthy regime and has lost nearly 3st since Feb, and can now run 10k or more almost effortlessly. We're both on MFP and sometimes I think he is a bit obsessed with it! However, he also said he thought I was obsessed and trying to lose more, which is not the case.

Any thoughts? it's not coming between us but the remarks have been made a bit too often for me to feel entirely comfortable about continuing to brush it off. I know that if I gained a few pounds I wouldn't look any different and couldn't guarantee where they'd end up on my body!

Thanks Flowers

ELR · 11/06/2013 12:29

Hi everyone,
saf glad to see you back on here and recovering, take it easy.
After fasting yesterday I'm 2lbs up!! What's all that about? Was annoyed so I measured myself and am 1/2 an inch down on both my waist and hips so must be water retention but still annoying.
Haven't had a chance to read through all the thread yet but hope everyone is having a good day.

ELR · 11/06/2013 12:34

postman it's probably just because you've changed and its different to how you normally are, so maybe he feels a little insecure? At the end of the day it's what you think and feel that is the main concern, are you happy with how you are now or do you think you've lost a little too much?

ELR · 11/06/2013 12:35

Or it could just be the boobs!

ceebeegeebies · 11/06/2013 12:51

PPC I suspect your DH's comments are due to a mix of insecurity as he probably thinks you are more attractive to other men plus because of the boobs - after all, isn't that what most men look at Wink As long as you are happy with your weight, I would just ignore him or explain that you don't look at him differently now he has lost 3 stone so that should work both ways.

Fast day today - ok so far but hardest bit coming up as I always find the stretch from lunch to evening meal very difficult!

swallowedAfly · 11/06/2013 12:57

i'd ask him never to bring your dd into it again and never to talk about weight and diet in front of her again. with both of you being mega focussed on food and weight and exercise and you mentioning weighing less than her i'd be worried about what messages she's receiving and how it's impacting on how she feels about herself tbh. you don't say how old she is but you saying you think she's jealous of you and your partner using her in your discussion feels uncomfortable i'm afraid. hope you don't mind me saying.

EstoyAqui · 11/06/2013 13:03

Postman my DH has also commented about my loss. From his viewpoint I think it is that I've lost weight before and not really stuck at it. This time I have and I think it's making him evaluate where the weight loss is stemming from. For me I see the losing weight as a positive side effect of a healthier lifestyle. He has asked me when will it end, at what point etc. I haven't been able to tell him as I don't really know! I guess it's the uncertainty for him as to when the change will stop. I also think me going from a DDcup to a C has shocked him. Finally I think it's him seeing me in clothes I wore when we met has got him thinking. In his mind those clothes are associated with me being single. Obviously these are his reasons and may not be the same but I think when any partner in a relationship changes the other questions why.

Fast day here for me. I did not lose last week, which is no surprise as over half term I ate a lot of cheese and drank a lot of wine. I'm hoping to have a loss again tomorrow. I've been fasting since 9pm Sunday evening and have only had several cups of tea. I'm really looking forward to tonight when I can enjoy a sweet chilli bass fillet and rice. Nearly there. :)

In terms of non scale related positives, I bumped into an old friend recently and she was amazed at how healthy I look.

Good luck to all fasters today.

EagleRiderDirk · 11/06/2013 13:05

ELR at least we're not alone today with that. Stoopid water retention

PPC I know when my OH started exercising I became worried that I'd look so awful next to him, last night he told me he felt the other way round as I'd lost so much weight. Stupid thing is I don't think either of us really care what the other looks like as long as we're happy with it in ourselves.

Emilythornesbff · 11/06/2013 13:09

ppc
I think DP is either insecure or missing the jugs Grin
Most likely the former.
Is it poss that his comments were a clumsy attemp at flattery?
Men!
Fwiw when most women say things like that they usually mean " don't get any thinner because you will look better than me" [ducks and prepares for flaming]
I would be a bit cross about dd being brought into it.
Hmm

BsshBossh · 11/06/2013 13:31

BuntCadger that's good news (both your pregnancy and that you can continue 5:2).

SAF welcome back. I am sure extra water, bloatedness, drugs, recovery = weight has remained same. Give it a week or two...

Haven't fasted properly since last Monday but have been doing 16:8, no snacking and exercise (weights & HIIT cardio) and seem to be maintaining well. The newest pair of jeans I've bought are loose. Yes, great news! But my wallet is seriously goraning.

BsshBossh · 11/06/2013 13:31

*groaning

BsshBossh · 11/06/2013 13:36

postmanpatscat two things come immediately to mind for me:

  1. He's in competition with you (no problem with that, of course)
  2. He needs to get used to the new you (and he will in time)

My DH has never seen me this light either. He's happy with the way I look (it's other people who keep commenting on how I'm "wasting away" grrrr) but he has increased his own exercise efforts (he has no weight to lose) and ensures he fasts once or twice a week, which I view as him being in healthy competition with me Grin.

BsshBossh · 11/06/2013 13:37

postmanpatscat I agree with Emily in that he's missing the boobs Grin. Mine have not reduced as dramatically as yours, hence perhaps why my DH is happy!

frenchfancy · 11/06/2013 13:53

postmanpat If I've done my sums correctly your BMI is about 20.5. So you are not underweight. I would be tempted to use that as ammunition - ie it isn't you saying it it is the experts.

DH was saying similar things about my weight as I have gone lower than target, then he fell of the horse and decided that losing a few more pounds wouldn't be a bad thing. We are both at about 23.5 BMI at the moment, probably going to aim for 22.5 long term, but who knows.

I agree with others your DD should not be involved in such discussions unless she is over 16.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/06/2013 14:07

Hello all, haven't posted much recently because life has been a bit mental.

Good news is that I now have my bathroom scales back, following a massive 'move my stuff out of my old house' exercise over the last couple of days. And ooooooh how they teased me when I first stood on them this morning - they flashed a glimpse of the 11s at me! I stood off in shock, and then got back on - am 12 stone on the nose. But that means I've lost 9lbs, 5% of my bodyweight, and I have moved back down into size 14s (just about). And hopefully the next time I weigh myself next week yeah right!!!! I'll be seeing the 11s for real.

Have a good day everyone.

Moominsummermadness · 11/06/2013 14:38

Hello all, am Moominlandmidwinter, under my summer identity!

PPC, it's hard to tell really. I've had similar from my DH. I was actually underweight at 7st 12lb when we met, and I'm 5ft 7. I had just been through a messy break-up with my ex-H though, and once I felt happier within myself, I gained weight, and settled at around 8 1/2-9 stone. Like you, I'm naturally on the slim-side, but my weight had gradually crept up after we got married 3 years ago (and then I had a baby). He has recently been saying that I am skinny, but forgets that I was lighter than this (pregnancy with our first DD together aside) for the first 4 1/2 years of our relationship. He did question why I wanted to lose weight, when my BMI was already within the healthy range, but when I explained that I just wanted to be where I felt I should naturally be (and to lose my muffin tops!), he accepted it. He put his foot down when I mentioned that I might do a 4:3 though.

Bunt Cadger, congratulations on your pregnancy. I must admit to being a little Shock when I read that you are still doing 5:2 whilst pregnant and breastfeeding. I thought that I was being a little controversial starting whilst feeding a seven month old! Glad that you've had the medical go-ahead, but please go easy on yourself. Remember that it is normal and healthy to gain some weight while pregnant (not meaning to sound bossy, I promise! Grin).

Ponygirl, 9lb! That's fab. Will be the 11s next time.

virginposter · 11/06/2013 14:42

postmanpatscat I agree with the others that perhaps he's feeling a bit insecure and probably needs some reassurance from you. Maybe you need to have a good talk with him and explain that you are now maintaining and do not intend to lose any more and just like him, you want to be a weight that you feel comfortable at (and would he please stop calling you skinny). Also agree that DD should not ever be put in that position. A good talk is often all that's needed to clear the air.
Well done on your weight loss achievement and maintenance.

Emilythornesbff · 11/06/2013 15:30

ponygirl great loss. Well done.

I expected to skip lunch today (NFD) but was famished at midday and ate 1 and 1/2 pittas stuffed with falafel, spinach and peri peri sauce.
Yum.
But forgot how piquant the sauce is and needed half a choc ice to cope with the "pain" Blush
ppc your weight sounds great. I bet you look really good. Maybe DP just needs a bot of reassurance.

BetsyBell · 11/06/2013 17:05

emily How is it possible to eat half a choc ice?!

ppc Unless you're shuffling around gaunt and energyless then your DH has no basis for his comments - please tell him to stop, it sounds draining. If you're fit, healthy and bouncing around then you know when you're in the right place. He sounds jealous and/or missing his favourite jiggly bits, either way he should be happy to see his DW so happy in her own skin, not putting you down. I'm sure he'll get used to the 'new you' but in the meantime don't let him get away with making comments you don't like. And also, I must agree with those saying please don't get your daughter involved. Daughters aren't generally known to be jealous of their mums - the generation above is like a different species at that age.

Hope recovery is going well saf, I must admit I'd have been on the scales too though I wouldn't have admitted it Grin Blush.

bunt Brilliant that you've got so much professional support, very interested to read your posts and what difference IF is making to this pregnancy.

ponygirl Woo! Great stuff, well done :)

Monster You can do it! I need to get motivated to move my 2nd fast day - either tomorrow or Friday... not sure which I'd prefer.

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Moominsummermadness · 11/06/2013 17:05

Oh dear, nothing quite like a child for honesty! I was just standing behind DD2 (9) whilst helping her with homework, and she looked at me, and said, "Mummy, why is your tummy so big? Are you having another baby?"!!!

Obviously I still have some work to do!

Emilythornesbff · 11/06/2013 17:15

betsy it was only possible because it wasn't a real mint magnum, rather a tesco version, which was not nice Sad Grin.
I'm also dithering about my next FD and that usually leads to a problem. I'm much better when I know what I'm doing and everyone leaves me to get on with it Grin

Congratulations bunt

moomin Grin dock her pocket money Wink

Moominsummermadness · 11/06/2013 17:22

I'm considering it, Emily! Grin.