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violin lessons: group in school vs. private?

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Strix · 17/03/2010 17:13

DD has started private violin lessons this term while she waits for her number to come up on the waiting list at school. Surprisingly, she has a space (I thought it would be at least a year). So, I am in a bit of a quandry as to whether we continue with the private arrangement or swap to school group lessons (4 in a group).

DD wants to do it at school. School would be easier because it is one less day of rushing off to an afterschool activity. School is cheaper. But, I wonder about the qualitiy of the tuition and how quickly she will progress. She is doing well with the private teacher. Will I ruin a good thing if we switch to school lessons now?

I am a complete musical novice, so any and all advice most welcome.

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thirtypence · 19/03/2010 22:50

When she has a lesson with her friends and there is bound to be one of them that just doesn't get reading music and at least one that never practises and she will realise that learning with your friends actually sucks.

She is 6 years old - you have asked the opinion of her teacher and of other teachers here. Who do you think knows best?

At 6 she will assume that all her friends will be as good as her. I have a girl who has learnt more in 4 lessons than another girl has mastered in 4 years!

ToccataAndFudge · 19/03/2010 22:52

can you afford the private lessons?

If so - keep on with those.

I would dearly love to pay for private lessons for DS1..........and the way my budget is looking (and if blardy EON would let me log-in to double check how much I still owe them on an old account) I may squeeze them in for him as I'm not happy with his group (of 2) lessons........

Strix · 20/03/2010 22:23

Thank you all so much for your contributions to this thread. This is all quite difficult for me because I have no musical background and therefore am not really qualified to make these decisions for DD. After talking to you and several people in real life about this, we (DD is in agreement) have decided to continue with the private lessons.

The private lessons are more expensive. And this is a consideration for me. But, they seem to be much better value so I am going to bite the bullet and carry on as I really believe that is what is best for DD.

Thanks again. Really appreciate your help.

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thirtypence · 22/03/2010 17:42

Way to go Strix. Well done to your dd on progressing so fast.

Undercovamutha · 22/03/2010 17:52

Think you are doing the right thing OP. The great thing about the violin is there will be plenty of opportunity for socialising/groupwork in the future, so 1:1 lessons will become only a part of your DDs playing experience as she gets older.

If she is concerned about learning with others, then finding a violin group may be a possibility.

I had private violin lessons from age 6, and started to go to a beginners string group on a saturday morning shortly after. This enabled me to meet other children who played, but also to benefit from the private lessons. I strongly believe that private lessons are crucial if your DD wants to take it seriously. I certainly could never have advanced as I did if I had only had school lessons (and this is coming from someone who doesn't generally believe in 'going private' as a rule!).

renaldo · 22/03/2010 18:07

you can pay extra for her to be taught on her own at school

Strix · 22/03/2010 20:28

I don't think I can, Renaldo.

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OORMI · 08/09/2011 15:00

Can anyone recommend a good violin teacher near South oxhey?

maggiethecat · 10/09/2011 00:20

Is that near Bushey? if it is you might want to go into Thwaites stringed instruments on Chalk Farm Hill Road (near Bushey arches) and they advertise teachers on their notice board. You might also want to ask them for their recommendations.

confidence · 11/09/2011 11:32

I know I'm going to be laughed at but here goes. What is the difference between a violin and a viola?

Actually you've just stumbled onto a well-known musicians' joke. And the answer is...

A viola burns longer. Grin

confidence · 11/09/2011 11:53

Strix,

I am a musician and music teacher, with several descades' experience both of teaching in different circumstances and overseeing primary school peripatetic services. And I don't think I've ever read a question on a forum that has such a straightforward answer. You HAVE to keep her having the private lessons. If the kid argues, give her some chocolate or something and tell her "too bad". She'll thank you for it when she actually makes progress on the instrument.

Obviously a lot more progress can be made by an able student working 1:1 than in a group with others less able. This is exacerbated by the fact that on the violin specifically, learning good intonation (ie playing in tune) is excruciatingly hard, and requires constant, detailed attention from the very beginning to have any chance. That's going to be severely compromised by being in a group with others playing out of tune.

But we haven't even touched here on the main advantage of the private lessons over the groups at school, which is your ability to be involved in the lessons, liase with the teacher and support her practice appropriately during the week. This is probably the MOST important factor determining success vs drop-out rate with young children taking up an instrument - more important than so-called "talent", I would dare to say. It's one of the strengths of the Suzuki method for example, and it's one of the main reasons so many peripatetic school services fail.

Please don't be put off by the fact that you're a "musical novice". If you take a constructive attitude, listen to the teacher and are willing to learn, you'll support her well. In fact being a novice is even more reason why the school group would be a bad idea, because you'll have no way to judge the odd comments here and there being written in her practice diary (if you're lucky enough to even get that).

I DO know what your DC means about wanting to do it at school with her friends - playing with others is one of the great joys of learning an instrument. But it's a separate issue, which should involved joining ensembles, county groups, youth orchestras etc - or even playing the odd duet with a friend. The actual lesson in which the child learns how to play the instrument is separate from this.

The kid is able, keen, apparently on an instrument appropriate for her, and at the right age to be really going for it. You might be lucky and stumble across one of the minority of peripatetic services that serve musically able children well, but even if you were she wouldn't do as well as in a private lesson. More likely, she'll have some fun, waste a lot of time, and eventually give up because she can only play Twinkle Twinkle Little star by the time she's 11.

It's a no brainer. Find the money, and drop swimming or ballet or horseriding or macrame or karate or French or motor mechanics or whatever, as necessary.

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