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Autumn / Winter 24 - music thread

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northerngoldilocks · 02/09/2024 17:59

Feels like time for a new thread for the new school year!

Come and talk about music lessons, choosing instruments, exams, auditions, specialist schools, orchestras or whatever other music activities are going on. Everyone is welcome, from those with total beginners to those whose children are studying music at advanced levels. Ask for advice or share successes or struggles.

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horseymum · 20/09/2024 16:50

Our school has recently just done a few selections from different musicals, it's less pressure on everyone and still seems popular. Hope they get the parts they want.

Legoninjago1 · 21/09/2024 09:48

Also place marking! Nearly 10 year old DS working towards his Grade 4 singing exam in December. Meanwhile 8 year old DS just started as a cathedral chorister (well probationer!) and taken up clarinet and piano. It's all going on in this house!

minisnowballs · 21/09/2024 09:56

That does sound like plenty @Legoninjago1 - hope the choristering goes well.

We've been looking at unis with DD1 - who is applying for adult nursing. We're mainly looking in Wales as they look like they will pay her fees if she commits to a two-year stint over there when she's done, which doesn't sound that onerous. What is LOVELY though is that she checks out the orchestras wherever she's looking - she sees it as a way of making friends (though I suspect that as soon as she's on placements she'll struggle to make rehearsals). But that really does make all the years of violin and viola seem worthwhile - it still has relevance now for her.

Also means we're getting to check out a few uni music depts as we go, in advance for DD2, as well as psychology and linguistics for foster daughter. We must be the most confusing open day family ever.

Foster daughter has just joined the London Youth Choir and has had her first rehearsal. Is LOVING it. Also working towards grade 5 piano - amazing since she only started when she came to the UK at the end of Year 10 and she's now in Year 13.

DD2's plan is to pick up foster daughter's book and take grade 5 piano in the summer after her gcses. I've warned her this might not be quite the success that she managed at grade 3... perhaps either some lessons or at least take the pieces to school with her and try to do a bit of practice. Still, she continually proves me wrong so what do I know!

Londonmummy66 · 21/09/2024 13:45

@minisnowballs in my experience viola players can get by with barely attending rehearsals. DD2 was able to negotiate a deal where she got sent the music and then just did the final 2 rehearsals they were that keen to have her (and she is probably nothing like as good as your eldest).

minisnowballs · 21/09/2024 18:19

@Londonmummy66 DD2 is an indifferent viola player in both senses. However, she does love an orchestra so hopefully she'll manage to negotiate a deal!

Londonmummy66 · 21/09/2024 18:55

minisnowballs · 21/09/2024 18:19

@Londonmummy66 DD2 is an indifferent viola player in both senses. However, she does love an orchestra so hopefully she'll manage to negotiate a deal!

Sounds like mine - switched from violin to viola at CYM for the sole reason that she would get opportunities on zero practice.....

yodaforpresident · 21/09/2024 22:18

DD is home for the weekend and it transpires that she thinks that she does have to do GCSE music. Tricky as she was hoping to do computer science in that slot - does anyone do GCSE music essentially off timetable? She has grade 5 music theory already and is working on her diploma in voice which she would use as her perfomance (she does have other instruments at G7/8 level now but voice would be her preference.

Comefromaway · 21/09/2024 23:41

The tricky part with doing it off timetable is the teacher has to sign off on the composition NEA. The majority is meant to be completed under supervision so they can verify it’s the students own work.

QueenMabby · 22/09/2024 08:15

yodaforpresident · 21/09/2024 22:18

DD is home for the weekend and it transpires that she thinks that she does have to do GCSE music. Tricky as she was hoping to do computer science in that slot - does anyone do GCSE music essentially off timetable? She has grade 5 music theory already and is working on her diploma in voice which she would use as her perfomance (she does have other instruments at G7/8 level now but voice would be her preference.

There are a couple of children in DD's year doing music as an extra subject off timetable. It's a formal arrangement with the school though so official just not in the regular day if that makes sense.

Dd was thinking about it but was already doing one extra subject off timetable and although school offered to let her do it off timetable in one year I put my foot down. Too much workload in year 11 and she doesn't need 13 GCSEs! School were confident that with g5 theory already and a good performance level that she could do it though.

Speak to school and see what arrangements they can put in place. Dd was told that she'd only need to do the compositional lessons, a bit of analysis and the NEA stuff as she would already be able to do the rest.

minisnowballs · 22/09/2024 09:06

@yodaforpresident DD2 started it off timetable at her old school official and afterschool - however, of the 8 that started there are only two left doing it apparently and no idea how they will do.

At her new school, most specialists take it in Year 9 unless they join later - and that includes those who join IN year 9, so they do it in a year.

However, DD2 joined in Year 10 so is doing it now. They pick a different board for those who take it older, reckoning it is a better fit for those pushing straight to A-Level

For your DD, performance she'll be great and 5 theory is a great starter - but depending on the board the analysis can be quite heavy - so some of the specialists in DD2's year got a 7 in those papers in the mocks despite being some of the best musicians in the school.

You have to know about your set texts! DD has had to work on this - Killer Queen did not come as naturally as Music for A While.

Composition, as @comefromaway says, has to be in school for assessment reasons, so it depends whether the school is willing to facilitate.

It's certainly harder to do alone than it used to be, and performance is only a third of the mark (and half of that is a duet/ensemble so you are reliant on organising it) so you can be a brilliant player but not do that well.

I suspect at an indie school with good music they'll be able to handle it. But do also think about DD's sanity as GCSEs approach - do they really need all of them? DD2 enjoys being able to things other than study and the pressure does mount up!

Your DD2 has got a while though I think, so you've got time to consider all options?

yodaforpresident · 22/09/2024 21:33

Thank you so much @Comefromaway @QueenMabby and @minisnowballs her new school has a very strong music department so I don't think that will be an issue. Her last school was also very musical and she has been fortunate to have had great support with weekly teaching for her scholarship and in class. I have printed off an OCR paper with answers today so that she can have a look at it. They have to start broadly choosing by the end of November so she has a little thinking time but not that much! It does sound like it might work though potentially.

horseymum · 24/09/2024 15:40

Congratulations to those who got into NYO and commiserations to those who didn't make it this time. Also not long till the first NYO inspire events, hope those going for the first time especially enjoy it.
Any others waiting for audition results, sympathy, it feels like ages every time!

minisnowballs · 24/09/2024 16:47

Yes congrats to all NYOers. Just Inspire for us (DD didn't audition), and still waiting to find out the city for DD's Inspire Day - it says East Midlands but isn't any more forthcoming, which makes it slightly hard to plan.

northerngoldilocks · 25/09/2024 10:32

DS in the weird age group where he's still in NCO categories so waiting on that but has an Inspire day - which seems to work on your actual age, vs how old you are on a date in August. Think we probably still have a month to wait for NCO but not particularly expecting anything there.

His Sat music finally started back on Saturday when his teacher was predictably unconvinced by the pieces he was playing and has conceded he can play 1, but he definitely shouldn't be getting too excited and thinking that he's anywhere close to grade 8 standard and he first needs to rework all efforts at double tonguing and his vibrato needs lots of work (though i think that this is forever the case). Its always like this at the start of a year but she's a great teacher who knows what she's doing so will leave them to it.

DD came home discussing doing Grade 8 piano in Dec, her teacher thinks she could do it but I think we're actually going to hold off for a while. She's still pretty young and is in her first term at secondary so it all feels like a lot to manage. She's also playing in a school production and we're going on holiday for a couple of weeks between now and the exam, so feeling like it would be less stressful to push it out. She will learn some new pieces and then take a view which to play closer to the time. I'm reasonably sure she could pass it now as her pieces are good, her scales are almost good, her sight reading is always good and i'm assuming she could work on aural enough to get it there but just looking ahead to how tiring this term is anyway especially in the run up to Christmas, it feels like she doesn't need to add anything else.

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PhotoDad · 25/09/2024 12:34

Sounds like DC are gradually settling into the new term!

DS has two instrumental teachers, both lovely people and accomplished musicians. Guitarist is very laid-back; we arranged a time-slot about 5 years ago and the lesson has been then every single week since. Pianist is absolutely chaotic, chopping and changing lessons with minimal notice. We're three weeks into term and think that DS might now have a regular slot, after I've provided the same information about availability multiple times. I'm a pretty organised person who over-plans things and it winds me up, every single term!

Also, jury is still out on how many lads might turn up to "Cambiata" choir. I've advised DS to keep on the choirmaster's good side as he might be trying for a choral scholarship at uni.

horseymum · 25/09/2024 15:27

It's tricky when lesson times can't be set but we have been fortunate to have teachers who are performing professionally and just can't commit to the absolute same time every week. It's always worked for us as the pay off is the teacher is of a high standard and also willing to be flexible with us. I guess if your week is more packed it's harder though.

herbaceous · 25/09/2024 15:38

DS has scheduling problems too. Professional musician teachers, who only teach at his school very briefly. DS can't have music lessons during academic lessons, so has to squeeze them into breaks, but then gets told off if he's late for academic lessons. Peripatetic teachers and school timetables don't always work well together!

PhotoDad · 25/09/2024 20:49

I completely get that! But DS's piano teacher is no longer a concert soloist (sad story involving a car accident) and what annoys me is going over the same ground again and again.

The cathedral choir thing has reached a happy compromise; DS will drop to attending every other week, which aligns with the schedule of the Lay Clerks.

PurpleStarrySocks · 28/09/2024 19:50

My DSs have just started at the JD of the RBC and I learned today that they only have ABRSM exams 'in-house' in the summer term, much to my astonishment (and horror)!!! 😮 My DS2 is ready to take his grade 7 piano this term and the deadline for booking a place externally is on 30th Sep I'm worried about going somewhere with a poor piano. Do any of you know if of a public venue with a decent piano? Have any of your DCs done exams at the ABRSM HQ in London? We're in the West Midlands, but would be happy to travel for a decent piano. Any advice would be much appreciated. 😊

thirdfiddle · 29/09/2024 01:09

I don't think JDs are very interested in ABRSM style exams purplestarrysocks, they're operating at a higher level than that. Does your DS really need a G7 certificate? The obvious advice would be to skip it, it will quickly become irrelevant anyway. If he really wants to tick an exam off, wait and do 8..
(Sub advice, just do whatever the teacher says, they're the expert.)

northerngoldilocks · 29/09/2024 08:34

The abrsm head office pianos are good. They have a grand and it's well maintained. They also have nice warm up rooms. The stewards at that venue are lovely and it's a nice place to wait as a parent. It's honestly my top venue!

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amr78 · 29/09/2024 09:37

@PurpleStarrySocks the Bristol music club is a good venue. They have a Boston grand piano in the small concert hall where the exams are held and there’s also a warm up
room. There is also a great cafe just across the road which I retreated to whilst DS did his grade 8 clarinet so that I didn’t have to listen to any of it!

bristol-music-club.co.uk

PurpleStarrySocks · 29/09/2024 12:36

thirdfiddle · 29/09/2024 01:09

I don't think JDs are very interested in ABRSM style exams purplestarrysocks, they're operating at a higher level than that. Does your DS really need a G7 certificate? The obvious advice would be to skip it, it will quickly become irrelevant anyway. If he really wants to tick an exam off, wait and do 8..
(Sub advice, just do whatever the teacher says, they're the expert.)

Yes, I think DS2 is going to end up skipping grade 7 piano, which we're happy with. It'll certainly be nice not to have to pay the exam fee!

PurpleStarrySocks · 29/09/2024 12:38

northerngoldilocks · 29/09/2024 08:34

The abrsm head office pianos are good. They have a grand and it's well maintained. They also have nice warm up rooms. The stewards at that venue are lovely and it's a nice place to wait as a parent. It's honestly my top venue!

That's really great to know, thank you. Do you know what kind of piano the grand is?

PurpleStarrySocks · 29/09/2024 12:40

amr78 · 29/09/2024 09:37

@PurpleStarrySocks the Bristol music club is a good venue. They have a Boston grand piano in the small concert hall where the exams are held and there’s also a warm up
room. There is also a great cafe just across the road which I retreated to whilst DS did his grade 8 clarinet so that I didn’t have to listen to any of it!

bristol-music-club.co.uk

That sounds like a great venue, thank you for letting me know about it. What happens with a piano accompanist for a clarinet exam? Do you have to arrange your own or does ABRSM arrange one for the day?