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Year 1 ballet lessons

22 replies

123Outnumbered · 03/05/2024 21:57

Hi,
My daughter started ballet in Reception and is now in Year 1. I watched one of her lessons at the end of last term. The teacher was very sweet but the lesson seemed very relaxed- she told them what to do and to follow her, but it was a total shambles- the children just didn’t get it! Part of the lesson was to run around the room like a character from a book. I was expecting her to take them each through some exercises, by guiding their leg and foot if necessary, but she didn’t. Does this sound right for a 6 year old’s ballet lesson?
If so, I’m very happy for her to keep going to lessons as she enjoys it and I’m sure it’ll get more structured in time, but I was surprised that because she hasn’t learnt anything or made any real progress in the almost 2 years that she’s been going to lessons!
I promise I am not pushy but want to make sure if we’re sorting logistics to get her to these weekly lessons, that she is getting good tuition.
Many thanks for any replies

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Bunnycat101 · 04/05/2024 07:24

Is it a ballet school that takes them through exams and has older children or one aimed at the younger ones? It think there can be quite a difference.

The story-telling stuff is pretty normal but there is normally a fair bit of structure in my reception-child’s class. From the few I’ve seen this year they have a section doing jumps, pliés, feet exercises, some arm stuff and then do something more story telling esque where they could be going to the beach or being princesses etc.

UnicornMamma · 04/05/2024 07:33

Is it an actual dance school or a franchise thing like baby ballet

If a franchise then that's all you're going to get

At my girls dance school the initial lower classes are like that as it gets them in the space and moving but as they get older it's more traditional exercise and dance they need to know for their exam.

Notquitefinishe · 04/05/2024 07:36

Sounds similar to the ballet and gymnastics classes I watch my Y1 do. I'm constantly frustrated she's not corrected for bent legs etc - she literally doesn't know they are meant to be straight because she's never told. The places she goes do seem to turn out half decent gymnasts and dancers when they get a bit older though so I'm trying to trust the process...

123Outnumbered · 04/05/2024 07:57

Notquitefinishe · 04/05/2024 07:36

Sounds similar to the ballet and gymnastics classes I watch my Y1 do. I'm constantly frustrated she's not corrected for bent legs etc - she literally doesn't know they are meant to be straight because she's never told. The places she goes do seem to turn out half decent gymnasts and dancers when they get a bit older though so I'm trying to trust the process...

Thanks for this- this is really reassuring. I feel exactly the same- how can they learn anything when they’re not told if it’s wrong.

I don’t want to ask the teacher as I think it will sound rude!
It is a proper dance school with
exams further up so yes, as you say, we just have to trust that they will get there. It’s just a bit frustrating to watch!

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daisypond · 04/05/2024 08:09

She’s still too young to learn ballet really. I think you have to see this as a bit of fun. Or you could look for another dance school and see if the teaching is more structured. I do think it seems a bit chaotic. My dd is a dancer and didn’t start lessons till she was eight.

MabelTheCow · 04/05/2024 08:26

Sounds about right
my daughters did plies and arm exercises too but sold in very non ballet terms. Changed a bit when she moved into the Primary class and then more still from grade 1

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 09:00

May I point you in the direction of:

balletcoforum.com/forum/9-doing-dance/

where you will find lots of information on all things ballet. There are a lot of posters on there with dancing dc and also some ballet teachers as well.

Elephantswillnever · 04/05/2024 09:06

I think it’s pretty normal. It gets a bit more structured as time goes on. My twins are 9 and practicing for the grade 2 exam. I do think if its fun they will stick with it longer, the other ballet teacher is much stricter and they have no desire to switch. My dc taught me lots of super tough ballet stretches too which I don’t see in the odd class I’ve sat in on.

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 09:17

MabelTheCow · 04/05/2024 08:26

Sounds about right
my daughters did plies and arm exercises too but sold in very non ballet terms. Changed a bit when she moved into the Primary class and then more still from grade 1

At age 6 the OP's DD should be in the Primary class by now anyway.

@123Outnumbered What examining body is it?

MabelTheCow · 04/05/2024 09:41

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 09:17

At age 6 the OP's DD should be in the Primary class by now anyway.

@123Outnumbered What examining body is it?

Our local school does it by when they start. Definitely worth asking. If they’ve got a cohort of Primary kids waiting to take their exam, she’s not going to be moved up yet

Elephantswillnever · 04/05/2024 09:45

MabelTheCow · 04/05/2024 09:41

Our local school does it by when they start. Definitely worth asking. If they’ve got a cohort of Primary kids waiting to take their exam, she’s not going to be moved up yet

I’d agree with this. Ballet follows the academic calendar. They do exams in June ( Scotland) then the class moves up together. My dc have been with the same group of children for five years.

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 11:00

Elephantswillnever · 04/05/2024 09:45

I’d agree with this. Ballet follows the academic calendar. They do exams in June ( Scotland) then the class moves up together. My dc have been with the same group of children for five years.

The term dates follow the academic calendar, but individual progress should be by ability, not age-related cohort. Some dancers will need to stay longer in a class than others, and those with natural facility should be in a class according to their ability, bearing in mind the minimum recommended age set by examining bodies for certain grades and level of training.

ilovesushi · 04/05/2024 11:39

I think it is hard to judge because a class in front of parents may be different from a normal lesson and the teacher may not want to give corrections to individuals. Though if none of them were pointing their toes for example you'd expect her to pick that up with the whole group. Casting my mind back to watching weeks when DD was in pre primary/ primary, the teacher did explain how particular basic exercises were building technique for more advanced moves later on, so you could understand the purpose of what they were doing.

Exams aren't everything but it may be worth finding out what age they typically do exams and what kind of results they get - are they scraping a pass or are they mostly distinctions? This info may be on their facebook page or website or a physical noticeboard. Have a look on the RAD website or whichever board it is to get an idea of when children usually do particular grades.

I do remember progress being painfully slow at this stage. DD's dance school seemed to spend a looooong time on building basic technique. Not a bad thing but she went through some boring years because of it, and when I remembered back to my days dancing I was a lot more advanced at a much younger age.

In terms of when they do exams, I think they run through the year. DD has done them in winter, spring and summer before.

mrssquidink · 04/05/2024 12:01

Is she being taught to a particular syllabus with a view to exams? At 6 my daughter was in Primary (having already done and passed the Pre-Primary exam) and yes things like incorrect placement were corrected. The running around pretending to be a character I’d be less worried about, as musicality and acting (for want of a better word) are important in ballet, and I think it does feature in some boards’ exams.

123Outnumbered · 04/05/2024 12:12

daisypond · 04/05/2024 08:09

She’s still too young to learn ballet really. I think you have to see this as a bit of fun. Or you could look for another dance school and see if the teaching is more structured. I do think it seems a bit chaotic. My dd is a dancer and didn’t start lessons till she was eight.

That’s really interesting, thank you. She’s enjoying the lessons so that’s the main thing. As long as her lessons sound normal then great.

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123Outnumbered · 04/05/2024 12:13

mrssquidink · 04/05/2024 12:01

Is she being taught to a particular syllabus with a view to exams? At 6 my daughter was in Primary (having already done and passed the Pre-Primary exam) and yes things like incorrect placement were corrected. The running around pretending to be a character I’d be less worried about, as musicality and acting (for want of a better word) are important in ballet, and I think it does feature in some boards’ exams.

Thanks for this. Maybe I’ll give the dance school a ring and see if they do the Primary exam.

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taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 12:57

She's still too young to learn ballet really.

She really isn't. Ingrained posture and uncorrected technique picked up now will be very difficult to get rid of in later years.

Elephantswillnever · 04/05/2024 16:42

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 11:00

The term dates follow the academic calendar, but individual progress should be by ability, not age-related cohort. Some dancers will need to stay longer in a class than others, and those with natural facility should be in a class according to their ability, bearing in mind the minimum recommended age set by examining bodies for certain grades and level of training.

There is a class for “committed dancers” who want to do extra lessons / practice. My dc are pretty chill though and like their group.

longdistanceclaraclara · 04/05/2024 16:45

Is it RADA?

taxi4ballet · 04/05/2024 17:57

@longdistanceclaraclara RADA is the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, you are probably thinking of RAD, the Royal Academy of Dance?

UnicornMamma · 04/05/2024 20:31

daisypond · 04/05/2024 08:09

She’s still too young to learn ballet really. I think you have to see this as a bit of fun. Or you could look for another dance school and see if the teaching is more structured. I do think it seems a bit chaotic. My dd is a dancer and didn’t start lessons till she was eight.

Not really

My two DDs school take pupils from 2.5 years and my 5.5 year old is in a structured class with aim of learning the exam material

Secnarf · 06/05/2024 06:10

My daughter is still only 8, so I don’t know where things will end up, but it’s recent enough to remember age 6. Because it was lockdown, she had lessons over zoom for the Spring term of Year 1, so I could observe them.

She is young for the school year, so started ballet at the beginning of Foundation, just turned 5 years old, but then lost any teaching for half of Foundation, and had lessons at home by zoom for Spring term in Year 1. So there’s a caveat that what I am describing may be ‘behind’ what would be expected at this stage in a non-interrupted childhood (but a little more to contradict that later!).

She goes to a good ballet school (distinctions generally across the board with marks usually in the 90s, respectable number going on to vocational training, excellent results in competitions).

So in the zoom lessons, there was no use of ballet terminology. They practiced steps as part of short dances, which were the set sequences for the pre-primary, although the children were not to know that then. There was a lot of the teacher calling out individual names and saying ‘good’. There were far fewer corrections, which were mainly about pointing toes. Obviously, there were no physical corrections in these lessons, but I’ve just asked my daughter and she says they did happen in face to face lessons.

However, skipping/walking/running are part of the exam syllabus, at least for the first few grades. Mime is important throughout.

For pre-primary or primary, there was a dance which exactly included running in and waving at your friend before a series of spring points, so what you saw might actually be them preparing your daughter in a low key way.

i would also say that when they opened a section of a lesson to the parents early on, I was hugely underwhelmed, as it was pretty much as you described! I think it’s more an opportunity for people to coo over their child looking cute than to get a true insight into their training.

With regards to exams, different dance schools take things at different speeds. Our school takes early ballet slow and it feels that they usually enter children for an exam at the point that they are confident they will achieve a distinction. I remember that children at other dance schools in the area did their pre-primary a lot earlier than my daughter. I think even now she is a grade behind some other schools.

She is young for her academic year and there was the disruption from lockdown, but I think this is when she did hers (ISTD)
Pre-primary - Autumn year 2 (age 6)
Primary - Autumn year 3 (age 7)
Standard 1 - Autumn year 4 (age 8)
Grade 1 - Spring year 4 (age 8)

She was entered for pre-primary 2 terms later than some other girls in her year group, one term later for primary, same for Standard 1, and then with a smaller advanced group for Grade 1. She was an little upset at the time of pre-primary but it was definitely right. She needed that extra time to build strength, concentration and focus (for everything, not just ballet).

Having watched her galumphing around, and knowing that she was ‘behind’ in being entered for Pre-primary, I was surprised to receive an email asking if she would like to do a dance festival at the beginning of year 3. I was even more surprised at how quickly she picked up her steps, and how graceful she suddenly looked 2 terms after those zoom lessons. Then I was staggered when she won medals at a series of festivals, against children with clearly more advanced choreography. These things are a bit of a lottery, and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Normally any 10 or 15 children could potentially place depending on what the adjudicator is looking for. The point is however that, contrary to my assumption that ballet was a bit of nonsense for her, from what looked like a very inauspicious start, she can actually dance.

The rate of development has been staggering over the last 18 months. It seems that because the basics are solid, they can start building more quickly from this point onwards. She has joined a pre-vocational programme, and reached the finals of a more meaningful ballet competition.

If you had told me what her dance commitment would be now when she was 6, I would have outright laughed in your face. I thought she would, like me and millions of other little girls, prance around for a year or two and then give up.

So the point of my long ramble is, if your daughter is enjoying the classes and seems to be getting something out of them, then I wouldn’t worry. You could look at the older children, or look at where students go onto when they leave the dance school if you are very worried. If you are happy with that, then trust in the school. A slow start doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t good.

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