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Unfair towards private school kids

124 replies

Angelkid · 22/02/2024 21:15

Hello everyone,
I have seen an advertisement about national youth choir north east 2024. I am shocked to find out that they only admit state schools and home schooled kids. I am wondering if it is even legal. It is a clear discrimination case.
We have already experienced about music competitions/festivals are biased towards state schools. Judges don't have impartiality and blindly towards state schools.
Why aren't not judged by its own merits nowadays.
Very frustrated.

OP posts:
Angelkid · 22/02/2024 21:49

My point is things should be only judged by its own merit, nothing else.
I am surprised my post attracted anti private schools posts.
I have seen a several music competitions (choirs mainly) , my child wasn't one of them. I was amazed that the prized were awarded to state schools which were not clearly preformed at the top notch as the other teams. It wasn't only me feeling that way. Also I don't relate to any of them. If there is an obvious biased, why they just simply only accept state schools?
Yes, I understand some private schools kids are much better off than others, but is it justify to biased against them?
Yes, money can buy good education, there is nothing wrong in it. However, I feel it is going from one extreme (right)to another extreme (woke), which is not right and it is very worrying about the future of the country.
Rant over!

OP posts:
BlueWhippets · 22/02/2024 21:51

What about all the opportunities that the private school children get that the state school children don't?

RockyRogue1001 · 22/02/2024 21:52

Sending you thoughts and prayers @Angelkid

BitingtheSkirting · 22/02/2024 21:52

But you still haven't seen the point. Children from state schools, and especially schools in a deprived area, are less likely to apply to the National Youth Choirs. This gives them a taster and a bit of encouragement to try it.

BasilBanana · 22/02/2024 21:53

Sorry missing the leap from your child not being able to qualify for an outreach programme for a school choir to it being worrying for the country. Where's the worry exactly? What are these children who are having more access to more things going to do that is worrying?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 22/02/2024 21:54

OP do you understand what outreach events are?

My dc went to.the local comprehensive but there were outreach opportunities they weren't able to attend because they were targeted at children who didn't have some of the social and cultural capital my dc have. And that is more than fair.

You're really embarrassing yourself.

fleurneige · 22/02/2024 21:56

Keep ranting your nonsense. If you can't see it, you must be very hard of seeing.

Gazelda · 22/02/2024 21:56

You don't like other children having a (perceived) advantage, do you?

TheaBrandt · 22/02/2024 21:56

Flashback to when I blundered into what I thought was new baby and mum session on the estate near our flat in London but was actually an outreach class for ESL mums and I was not the target audience! They were very nice but I cringed hard.

MarmiteChocolate · 22/02/2024 21:57

Crikey, OP, I hope you don't pass on your views to your DC and bring them up to think that because their parents paid for private school, they are entitled over-and-above the target audience for an event/job/whatever. That kind of attitude won't do them any favours long-term, nor you...

tizalinatuna · 22/02/2024 21:57

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

tizalinatuna · 22/02/2024 21:57

Money can't buy you brains....

huggyhuggy54 · 22/02/2024 21:58

Last time I checked being rich wasn't a protected characteristic so not sure how far you'd get in a discrimination case.

Notthegodofsmallthings · 22/02/2024 21:59

AccesstoAdvantage-2018.pdf (suttontrust.com)

I think this is a wind up, but just in case OP is for real, please have a read of the attached report.

Were you educated in the UK, OP?

https://www.suttontrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/AccesstoAdvantage-2018.pdf

Mortimermay · 22/02/2024 21:59

I'm really struggling to see what your issue with this is. Clearly this is a specific outreach programme designed for children who wouldnt/couldn't access the choir otherwise. Whereas your children could access the choir if they chose to, just not through this specific programme.
Do you genuinely not see how some children are disadvantaged and need that extra support (it's not being woke by the way) or do you subscribe to the idea that if kids just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps they'd somehow be able to overcome the disadvantages they face on their own?
Genuinely baffled as to why you can't see why people are disagreeing with you.

MuchTooTired · 22/02/2024 22:00

I completely agree. Dirty little peasants thinking they can have an opportunity! Why should they exclude their privately educated peers? It’s not your fault that you as their parent(s) work hard in life, they could have done the same!

It is definitely worrying, those plebs getting ideas above their station will spell disaster for the future. Much better to stop the extra curricular rubbish and have them leave school at 12 and get into work serving the elites.

Wizardo · 22/02/2024 22:00

You appear to be a bit of a plonker OP!

TwylaSands · 22/02/2024 22:02

huggyhuggy54 · 22/02/2024 21:58

Last time I checked being rich wasn't a protected characteristic so not sure how far you'd get in a discrimination case.

😂

Comefromaway · 22/02/2024 22:02

My children were privately educated (although we moved Ds to a state school).

I regularly donate to organisations that provide outreach opportunities to state school/low income backgrounds as I want all children to have these opportunities.

MsFogi · 22/02/2024 22:04

Just wait for uni entry - if I have another private school parent bleating that their school has told them that their Oxon numbers are down because all the state school students are stealing the places with reduced offers I will vomit. For the record - some schools get reduced grades but certainly not all state schools and certainly not the majority of grammar schools (which are full of children who would have gone private if they hadn't go the grammar place) or non-selective in 'nice' areas.

mollyfolk · 22/02/2024 22:05

I’m not in the Uk so I don’t understand the scheme but outreach generally means they are trying to reach kids who wouldn’t usually get the opportunity.

Honestly your post is hilarious really. Your talking about the most privileged children in society! They get every opportunity.

crew2022 · 22/02/2024 22:06

I don't think a child at private school is being judged on their own merits. It's not a level playing field. So many advantages with a small class size. It's easier to learn.
Maybe you're experiencing a tiny part of what your dc peers will experience in the future job market and life in general because they won't have had a private education.

NotAPsycho · 22/02/2024 22:06

'....aren't not judged by its own merits....

Because it's not on their own merits unless on a scholarship and even then they haven't had to overcome 30+ in a class and a load of high needs variable ability and behaved children and have been given more opportunities already so hardly a level playing field.
I bet your school already has a choir, many state schools don't.

rrrrrreatt · 22/02/2024 22:12

There’s nothing wrong with using your money to buy a good education but there’s definitely something wrong with trying to take a subsidised place from a child whose parents couldn’t do that.

Do you feel the same way about food banks? Should they be awarding the food parcels based on merit rather than need? What about social housing and free school meals? Are they also part of the woke agenda?

HappierTimesAhead · 22/02/2024 22:15

Angelkid · 22/02/2024 21:49

My point is things should be only judged by its own merit, nothing else.
I am surprised my post attracted anti private schools posts.
I have seen a several music competitions (choirs mainly) , my child wasn't one of them. I was amazed that the prized were awarded to state schools which were not clearly preformed at the top notch as the other teams. It wasn't only me feeling that way. Also I don't relate to any of them. If there is an obvious biased, why they just simply only accept state schools?
Yes, I understand some private schools kids are much better off than others, but is it justify to biased against them?
Yes, money can buy good education, there is nothing wrong in it. However, I feel it is going from one extreme (right)to another extreme (woke), which is not right and it is very worrying about the future of the country.
Rant over!

I think you need a re-education because your written English is appalling and you seem unable to comprehend the most basic of concepts.