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Spring 23 music thread

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thirdfiddle · 09/01/2023 16:50

I saw some sunshine today so it's officially spring! Here's a new thread for all things musical.

With a nod to those who started the series, well before my young folk picked up an instrument or I braved the vipers of MN. This little corner is for support only, and bragging about your young folk's musical achievements is positively encouraged.

How are things looking for new year? Anyone new want to join us for a chat? Any lurkers want to delurk? All welcome from pre beginners to music college and beyond.

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PinkGrapefruitSorbet · 18/05/2023 10:52

Wow @horseymum I didn't realise that kids moved up in June - though I knew holidays were different in Scotland (DH is from Edinburgh originally). Very busy here in England too, though only another full week before half term.

DS submitted his NYO form this week, and is working on the video audition still. I think he's much more likely to get offered Inspire, but his teacher is keen that he tries for NYO as well.

His school doesn't have any music groups meeting after Easter as they need the big spaces for exam venues so the orchestra, wind band etc don't have anywhere to rehearse. There is a school music competition, so he's entering that on both bassoon and violin. There's also a county competition that he's going in for, through our local Music Trust, and he's in Young Sinfonia which has some concerts at our local concert hall in the summer. He's in county orchestra and windband too, so plenty of music going on one way or another. He has his final NCO residential in the summer holidays and is sad that he won't see those friends again as they all seem to be from London-ish.

Thankfully no music exams being taken this term, but he is doing his D of E bronze expedition next week. I am trying to take a hard line on him being responsible for his own packing and making a list of what he needs. I'm taking him to the shops tonight to buy what's needed, so hopefully he's made a good list!

D of E seems to be at least as much work for parents as for the kids, at least at DS's school. We've had to help him figure out what will work for the different categories of requirements, then take him to the right places for the different weekly things and help him sort out getting the forms signed etc. I'm keen that he does something extracurricular that's not music, but am secretly hoping he doesn't want to go on to do Silver next year!

Good luck to all those with exams and with applications pending!

horseymum · 18/05/2023 11:34

@PinkGrapefruitSorbet sounds like a great range of things going on.
What bassoon piece is he doing for the competition? My DD did Lucy long which went down well, it's lots of fun. We have d of E too, I leave it totally up to DC to organise. Last year eldest ds was rushing round Asda the night before trying to sort food! They are meant to have planned all that in school but obviously not!

QueenMabby · 18/05/2023 11:40

Good luck to all those taking exams - music or academic!

Both my dc have school exams next week. Dd revising hard so not much music practice being done. She's had two concerts in the last fortnight, the big school end of year one and an informal one where she just sang with her "fun" choir.

There's a vocal concert coming up next half term and some more chapel singing but no music exams for us. We're waiting on g8 piano which I think will be a while coming as she's not done g7. Her teacher says she's just verging onto the g8 level pieces now but she and I are both keen not to rush dd and just let her enjoy the repertoire she's playing.

Cello wise dd is continuing to make progress but she's definitely slower on that than the piano. G6 pieces are being learnt but she's not sure she wants to do the exam so we'll see.

PinkGrapefruitSorbet · 18/05/2023 11:55

@horseymum DS is doing the Grovlez Sicilienne for the competition. It's quite showy, so hopefully will go down well. Lucy Long does look fun - I just looked it up on YouTube!

horseymum · 18/05/2023 12:14

I think piano grade 8 piano is quite a slow burner for us too. DD did grade 7 this time last year but targeting Nov/ Dec for this year grade 8 so nearly 18 months. She only has 30 minute lessons which is quite short for the length of pieces! The repertoire takes a while to learn and she's enjoying learning other pieces and improving techniques before focusing on the actual pieces. There's no particular rush, the teachers want them to do well rather than quickly, especially for grade 8. The aural tests are hard work too!

I've heard the grovlez at a student concert, very nice choice! The bassoon has such a range it's great to show it off! That's what DD liked about Lucy long, it's a great concert piece, if a little cheesy.

minisnowballs · 18/05/2023 12:34

Good luck with all the bassooning @PinkGrapefruitSorbet and @horseymum . DD2 is fighting her way through Pierne's Solo De Concert at present - which is a) long and b) showy and fast - but her teacher wants it for a concert in mid-June before she leaves her Saturday centre and her bassoon lacks some vital key that makes it really hard to play the high notes apparently - she always looks like she's about to burst when she tries to get them out. We're hoping that new school will help with instruments when she gets there in September.

We have got nowhere WRT NYO- honestly think will leave for next year. Sadly only school concert cancelled due to the strikes, so she's not got a lot of performance opportunities at the moment, though she did sing in the Albert Hall with the London Youth Choir last week which was fab.

Examwise, DD2 has grade 8 in July on flute - so that really needs to be the focus - but she's bored with the pieces that she's had for ages. She took grade 7 in 2021 though so it really has been a long time between.

We also have D of E, but we have all the stuff as big sister has done both bronze and silver, and she's having to get on with it by herself as big sis has her GCSEs.

horseymum · 18/05/2023 12:38

@minisnowballs have you looked at Benslow music which loans/ hires out instruments? I appreciate you might get a school one though anyway. Would a different reed help with getting the higher notes?

PinkGrapefruitSorbet · 18/05/2023 12:38

Sounds very busy in your house too, @minisnowballs. Hope the new school works out well in September - that will be a huge change for you all!

georgedawes · 20/05/2023 18:34

Hello everyone! Just wondering where you find competitions? DD would love to do more, but we're not sure where to look for them. We're in nw/east mida borders.

horseymum · 21/05/2023 07:58

There is an association of music festivals and a website where lots of them are listed. Can't remember the name name. Many round us seem to be in march time with syllabus available from November so you get get practising. We have a choice of three within an hour's travel although it's a long way to go to our favourite one for one class. Have a look out for your local Rotary young musician too. There always seem to be online ones popping up on my Facebook but they mostly look like money- making exercises.
We have found them to be very welcoming and positive experiences, but they can be quite fickle so maybe have to go with the attitude that it it's a great way to get performance experience, nice comments are a bonus and a place/ award/ prize is a rare bonus and often the results could have gone another way if the same players played again five minutes later.

georgedawes · 21/05/2023 08:09

That's really useful, thanks! I can imagine placings being an uncertain beast!! It's more for the individual playing experience, she had her first one recently and did really well - but was more nervous than she expected as just not used to playing individually. She plays in so many ensembles and it was a good experience to be there solo, but definitely a new one for her.

BartokRules · 21/05/2023 10:18

www.federationoffestivals.org.uk/

You can find local festivals via the BIFF website

northerngoldilocks · 21/05/2023 16:17

So DD is doing her grade 5 theory exam. She has to do it now so the results are back in time for her to sit grade 7 (and obviously has to pass too 😬).

Got it all set up, cleared the study for the room scan etc, started the test and then our WiFi dropped out! Have ended up getting a train in and taking her to one of my work offices and sitting it in there. Fingers crossed ABRSM's room scan review can cope with the glass wall and the fact I didn't scan the entire floor! Well that, and that she passes!

horseymum · 22/05/2023 18:01

@georgedawes playing on their own is a big step up from ensemble. A friend who is a piano teacher says you only get better at performing by doing it. Then you learn that excitement/ nerves are very similar, a small ( or even bigger) mistake is not a disaster. It's part of the reason many people learn after all, and if they get to do from the start of their learning journey, it's less daunting.

QueenMabby · 22/05/2023 18:31

@horseymum - definitely agree on the performing.
DD's school do regular "informal" concerts in a recital room. No stage. Anyone can put their name forward if they have a piece ready and it's mainly just watches by the parents of the children playing. But it's such a confidence booster for them to get up and do it and an ideal way to practice performing. Dd used to get really nervous but she's so much better now.

Next month she's singing a solo at one. Singing still makes her more nervous - no instrument to hide behind! - but she's getting better.

@northerngoldilocks - hope the g5 theory went ok after all that!

horseymum · 22/05/2023 19:14

The theory is stressful enough without it issues! Youngest DD has decided to do trinity instead as otherwise she'd be playing at grade 8 before passing the theory! She's working towards 7 this year sometime so I need to get my head round the slightly different requirements.

northerngoldilocks · 22/05/2023 21:48

Thanks - the trip to one of my work's offices seemed to do the trick. I was very surprised that it allowed me to restart the exam for her as she'd completed about 3 question before our internet cut off - but it just restarted the room scan and then started the test again. I think it might have been because we went straight there so was within 3 hours of starting the first attempt or whatever their deadline is.

Now just have to hope she passed so that she can sit Grade 7 piano in July - though feel slightly better in that I've realised its still within the auto refund for covid rules so if she doesn't then I can get a refund for the practical exam. I'm obviously hoping not to need this, especially as the syllabus she's using expires in December anyway! I hadn't really imagined she would take this exam at all (mainly cos she hadn't passed grade 5 theory) and had just bought the book because she liked 'Pink Minor' and wanted to learn it , but here we are!

Now just the annoying 4 week wait - really wish they could give a provisional result subject to proctoring. If it wasn't a pass, no amount of proctoring would drag it up and you could arrange a resit!

georgedawes · 22/05/2023 21:50

Phew northern! Thank goodness it allowed you to take it at your office. Fingers crossed for her!

minisnowballs · 23/05/2023 08:32

Fingers crossed Northern... sure she'll be fine. @horseymum i can totally see the switch to Trinity, but you're right that aural etc looks quite different. Pieces are practically the same though.

And for bassoon experts here - how long do children use a short reach bassoon for? Is my (small to average) 13 year old DD likely to require a full size by September when she's just turned 14? Do some people use a short reach one forever? New school is asking what she will need.

How would we know?

PinkGrapefruitSorbet · 23/05/2023 10:21

@minisnowballs My DS started bassoon aged 9 and has always played on a full size rather than short reach bassoon. That's what our county music service had on offer, and later on we bought one the same size.

There are no other bassoonists in our county/region (North East), but at NCO he's met a few others, mainly girls, and I think he said they all/mostly play short reach still. I think his teacher mentioned that some women always use short reach if they have small hands, but some move to full size. Hope that's some use?

minisnowballs · 23/05/2023 10:39

That's really, really helpful @PinkGrapefruitSorbet. Dd's friend who is NCO (and therefore probably one of the girls you mean), has very recently got a full size for her grade eight and DD was worried that the magic key she needs for the top notes might only be available on full sized ones because of that. But it sounds like not...

DD's bassoon was a full-size one that was in a friend's loft for 30 years. The teacher's repairman stuck a key on it for her that makes it more like a short reach but it isn't quite. It was deep in lockdown and difficult to really source anything else. That's why we're so confused I think!

How extraordinary that he is the only one in the region. But brilliant that he enjoys it so much!

PinkGrapefruitSorbet · 23/05/2023 11:00

@minisnowballs The bassooning world is small! Yes, lockdown impacted on our bassoon understanding too. The county music service recalled all the borrowed instruments so we were lucky that we were in the middle of finding a second hand one to buy for DS otherwise his bassoon journey would have ended abruptly! As it was, locked down with a bassoon and an enthusiastic piano-playing parent (DH), he progressed in leaps and bounds. It's hard to get knowledge and support - even for basic repairs we have to drive an hour and a half to the nearest bassoon fixer. I often feel we're on the brink of an expensive mistake, though his teacher is very helpful in providing guidance.

minisnowballs · 23/05/2023 11:47

@PinkGrapefruitSorbet We discovered in lockdown that the man in the music shop at the end of the road repairs bassoons very cheaply.

However, only after we had posted DD's bassoon to the North East of England where her teacher's repair expert lives at extortionate cost. It's all so much easier now!

Alakazam8 · 23/05/2023 14:56

Changing the subject quite dramatically, dd wants to do her first online theory exam over the summer. How easy is it to set up and organise everything please? Do I need to prepare anything in advance please- do you have any helpful tips?

northerngoldilocks · 23/05/2023 16:33

Assuming its ABRSM theory and grade 5 or below it will, as you say, be online. Apart from the obvious 'make sure you have a stable internet connection because if you don't you'll be booted out of the exam', then there are official videos on youtube from ABRSM re what to do in advance and how to start the exam that are useful so recommend watching. Also has to be on a computer not a phone or tablet.

You have to download the software each time even if you've previously used it and you need to run the systems check in advance which will guide you through whether the laptop is suitable and the internet connection strong enough etc - as well as tracking whether programs which shouldn't be open are running and prompting them to be closed. I always find the room scan a right faff, and on Gr 3 theory DD forgot to rip up her working sheets on camera. Otherwise its fine.

Results take 4 weeks every time, so no chance they'll release earlier on theory.