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Spring 22 music thread

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thirdfiddle · 09/01/2022 20:51

Roll up roll up for a new term of music parenting! This is a long meandering series of threads for all things musical. Please do say hi if you're new or lurking.
Delighted to see on the last thread that musical things are up and running again in the new term despite some covid nerves. Here's hoping for a smooth normal as possible run.

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Huy456 · 10/01/2022 15:48

By "do it" I mean driving to all extra curricular stuff. Both my kids are training for several hours a week in a sport too, plus other classes and swimming. We're a bit overloaded!

northerngoldilocks · 10/01/2022 16:27

We are in London so I don't drive them to anything, but in terms of music we have teachers who come to our house for lessons not on Saturdays and I limit other activities to swimming lessons once a week and art club because it's on the next street! They do need to have time to practice too so finding a balance is key. We both work full time so can't be spending our lives taxi- ing children about

minisnowballs · 10/01/2022 16:54

We're in London, so no driving and the girls have free transport or buses and can travel very cheaply on trains. I work full time (but I'm freelance, so plenty of flex).

Everything has to fit either into the Saturday, into the school day, or into the holidays. Two sets of music lessons in school time (the peripatetic teachers are very similar at a good state school to an indie one - though notably you pay less), and two on Saturdays with orchestra, theory, ensembles, stagecraft (bizarrely) and aural training on Saturdays too. Holiday orchestras and choirs both day and residential in the school hols (obviously), originally doubling as childcare (though that's less necessary now they're older).

DD2 was 9 when she started at her Saturday Centre so there was 'ferrying' and I do still go with her now, but that's mainly as the bodyguard for the bassoon rather than because she needs anything! I just sit in the canteen and drink tea (and occasionally serve it) nowadays.

thirdfiddle · 10/01/2022 16:58

When looking for weekly orchestras of good standard, particularly string players, don't forget the amateur orchestra scene. The one I play in is g8+ and has a handful of teens. I probably wouldn't younger but one very determined young violinist did join at 10. And definitely after working hours.

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Huy456 · 10/01/2022 19:00

All brilliant points thank you. I think she'd love a choral residential so will look into those.
Scheduling and chauffeuring is a second job for us at the moment though, it's a bit much really.

horseymum · 10/01/2022 21:00

I would definitely second the point about making sure there is enough time for practice as they get older. The best lessons and facilities aren't going to help if they have no time to practice. For some independent schools I imagine ( may be wrong) that they are often longer days. Whether that includes homework might make a difference though. We find our state school with its fairly short days means there is plenty of time to practice and do other things.

minisnowballs · 11/01/2022 07:05

Ah yes horsey- I know one teacher who is a peri at a very well known indie with an exceptionally impressive music department. Complains a lot that the children there who she teaches do not have time to practise and make very little progress because they are so overscheduled elsewhere (not that mine aren’t overscheduled too of course, but I get the feeling it isn’t quite as bad).

MissScotland · 11/01/2022 07:11

From my experience at an indie this is very true. The kids have very long days on top of which my daughter needs to find another 1-1.5 hours to practice. I have to admit, some days just don't allow it.

Yourheartwillleadyouhome · 11/01/2022 07:39

@yodaforpresident we had excellent experiences of Eton Choral Courses for two of our sons when they were 16-17, they were superb

Jovanka · 11/01/2022 08:42

Hello everyone, checking in for the new thread - thank you thirdfiddle

2 DCs here who play 5 instruments between them - one is more serious about it than the other. I think eldest may study music beyond secondary-school age but probably not youngest.

One DC may sit a piano exam in the spring session but still not sure if he's ready. Other DC will likely have auditions to prep for.

Just weighing in on the whole schools debate. It's obviously natural to ask for opinions and advice when thinking about all the options. But I would say that every child is different as well as everyone's family circumstances. It's not as simple as saying state vs indy. Some state schools have amazing music depts, some don't. The same could be said for independents. It all depends on what's available in your area, what your realistic, feasible options are, how far you are willing to travel, finances, etc. But crucially the best school fit for your child at the time of making the decision. The best school for your child at 11 - from your realistic, feasible options - might not be the same at 15. Most people, unless things are going pear-shaped or they identify a much better option, will keep their child at the same school 11-16 so we can only go with what we think best at the time of making the initial choice.

I would also say that I have friends who have DCs at all types of schools - specialist music, indy with strong music depts, indy with weak music depts, grammars (some with music specialism), state with music specialisms, state with no 'known' music depts. And they ALL - without exception - have something to moan about. So, I also wouldn't fall into the trap of thinking there is a perfect school.

When we were looking at secondary schools in Year 6, I had a pang of regret that the school we chose did not have a strong music offer. I remember hearing from people at the time who said that a music scholarship at a school which has lots of opportunities could be a double-edged sword as there are lots of demands on the music scholar's time and there is a risk that the child plays in several mediocre ensembles instead of prioritising individual practice. At the time, I couldn't see the problem - it sounded great to me - lots of playing opportunities, surely that's a good experience in itself, etc. It's only now - especially as my eldest is in the GCSE years - that I can properly appreciate the challenge of prioritising.

We 'chose' the route of a normal comprehensive school with maximising musical activities outside of school as much as possible. I say 'chose' because it wasn't as though we had much choice. We don't live in a grammar area and we wouldn't be able to afford private even with a scholarship. Mind you, I say that, the amount of money we seem to spend on the out-of-school music - it might not come to much less than school fees Shock

doesanybodyhaveamap · 11/01/2022 09:11

Very wise words @Jovanka !!

minisnowballs · 11/01/2022 09:50

I wish my daughter would want to find 1.5 hours to practise, MissScotland! However, it's wonderful to see her knuckling down to it more after new year, as she knows she wants a better score than for her grade 7 for grade 8, and she's realised she going to have to work harder for that. Suddenly she seems to be much more grown up about it. She's also potentially looking at THREE grade five exams this term, which is ridiculous (and expensive) so something is going to have to give.

Comefromaway, I'm really hoping your son is feeling less despondent now. It's so hard when they only see their weaknesses, not their strengths. My dd is an amazing sightreader, which means video auditions have really not played to her strengths, because most only required prepared extracts, but I reckon it is one of the hardest skills to master! Good luck to him.

MissScotland · 11/01/2022 10:09

@minisnowballs That's very impressive! And a lot of work, I'm sure.
How old is she?
With my DD it took a while to get to a point where practice lasts a while. They need to grow up and mature first, well most of them anyway :-)

minisnowballs · 11/01/2022 10:39

She's 12, MissScotland, and I'm sure would be better to concentrate on fewer instruments, especially since none of them is the very useful piano), but she's not easily told.

MissScotland · 11/01/2022 10:55

@minisnowballs
Everyone has different issues :-)
DD's first instrument is piano but then had to pick up a new orchestral instrument in year 3 to open up more options.

minisnowballs · 11/01/2022 11:17

That sounds very sensible - my brother plays piano very well but I think it's quite a lonely instrument..

DD didn't start any music at all until Year 3 (and then it was group primary lessons). From year 4 it all came in a rush...Sometimes I blink and wonder what happened - certainly if we had planned it for her this would not have been the plan, especially since I'm not sure either me or her dad could have identified a bassoon in a line up of instruments until two years ago.

yodaforpresident · 11/01/2022 11:34

Thank you @Yourheartwillleadyouhome, my DD will only be 11 but is keen to attend one of the junior courses. She has attended music residentials before but this would be the first full week one.

Comefromaway · 11/01/2022 11:45

@minisnowballs

I wish my daughter would want to find 1.5 hours to practise, MissScotland! However, it's wonderful to see her knuckling down to it more after new year, as she knows she wants a better score than for her grade 7 for grade 8, and she's realised she going to have to work harder for that. Suddenly she seems to be much more grown up about it. She's also potentially looking at THREE grade five exams this term, which is ridiculous (and expensive) so something is going to have to give.

Comefromaway, I'm really hoping your son is feeling less despondent now. It's so hard when they only see their weaknesses, not their strengths. My dd is an amazing sightreader, which means video auditions have really not played to her strengths, because most only required prepared extracts, but I reckon it is one of the hardest skills to master! Good luck to him.

Thank you, yes he is feeling better, his friends at college helped by telling him he was being ridiculous.

He is an amazing sight reader and accompanist but he isn't a solo player. He is currently in heavy demand with the kids on the Musical Theatre Btec because none of their tutors play piano to the standard he can to accompany their songs, so they ask him to play for them instead of using backing tracks but it means he spends a LOT of time learning accompaniments and not so much time on solo audition pieces. I worry he is spreading himself too thinly.

But the upside is he has lots of friends at college whereas at school he really was an outsider.

minisnowballs · 11/01/2022 15:40

He sounds brilliant. Accompanying is a rare skill I think - I'm in awe of the people I know who can do that well- they are truly amazing. So glad his friends are supportive.

Huy456 · 11/01/2022 17:29

I agree, accompanying is a sure fire way to make you popular, it's a generous skill

thirdfiddle · 11/01/2022 18:03

Being a good accompanist is something DD aspires to. Possibly she sees a gap in the market seeing me hashing it up!

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Mendingfences · 12/01/2022 07:31

Thanks for the new thread thirdfiddle.

Siriusmuggle · 12/01/2022 08:22

Good morning. This term’s biggy for us will be the child deciding which conservatoire offer to accept. It’s narrowed down to two now with a current strong leader.

To answer a previous question I did all the ferrying and I work full time. Specialist school for 6th form has been a game changer from that point of view! It’s also developed him massively as a musician.

ilovesushi · 12/01/2022 08:53

@Huy456 both my children are at state school and the music departments are very different. At my son's school there have been frequent staff changes and there is no orchestra and very few opportunities to play with others. My son lost his enthusiasm for playing last year and quit his instrument which I was very sad about.
We encouraged DD to go to a different state school further away where the head is a keen musician and the music department is very strong. She is absolutely loving playing and performing with her ensemble, and all the friends she has met through music. I have noticed that musical children in the area gravitate to this school which maybe leaves the other schools short of musical talent.

Comefromaway · 12/01/2022 12:27

ARGH!

Ds has only had a handful of piano lessons since September due to covid isolations and his teacher having to cancel due to commitments at the school where he teaches.

Ds had been planning to have a lesson tomorrow then record his audition pieces on Friday. His teacher's son has now caught covid and so he can't teach from home in person. Instead of a 1 hour 1:1 lesson he has offered ds a 30 min online lesson.

It's like everything is conspiring against him.