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Summer 21 music thread

183 replies

squintsoftheworldunite · 25/06/2021 07:49

Hello peeps....

Decided (on a grey, drizzly late June morning!) that it was time for some summer music thread fun....!

My DC is coming to the end of a first term at specialist school, just had first public concert and was reminded of the absolute joy of public performance. We got a couple of exams out of the way before the new beginning, a theory exam coming up this summer but that's all. Some exciting summer music, including a solo performance at a "grown up" concert and some music courses to keep said offspring busy. Excited to see NCO auditions return, even if they're recorded only... Hoping for actual courses next year!

Thanks to those who paved the way in times gone by with the music threads!

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minisnowballs · 21/07/2021 15:40

Welcome, herbaceous. everyone welcome here, whether starting out, or learning more...That's amazing singing marks. He must be very good.

There are lots of very knowledgeable people on here - people like me are very grateful for them!

My dd (now 11) took her theory online last year - it was basically fine. I think you have to take it online whether you do it through school or not now. She'd had a few lessons at her Centre for Advanced Training but mostly it was all done on the app from home. She's very glad to get it out of the way.

No posh school scholarships here - Dd is at a SE London comp, just finished year 7, but she does love her music...Though I still have to tell her to practise (and then tell her to stop) so I'd love to know what your secret is!

QueenMabby · 21/07/2021 20:46

Well done minisnowballsdd - great result.

Hi Herbaceous, welcome.

LuluKentGirl · 22/07/2021 10:12

@minisnowballs

Quickest ABRSM results ever there - a 125 merit for cello. Pretty much what she predicted, and her teacher is pleased - so so am I!
Congrats to your DD! that's so quick.
doesanybodyhaveamap · 22/07/2021 15:18

@PinotAndPlaydough

Morning all, I’m after some violin string advice. I’m getting my daughter her full sized violin soon and I would like to upgrade the string from the standard set. My options are Thomastik Alphayue strings, Pirastro Tonica strings or Thomastik Dominant strings. A good sound is really Important to her as she gets quite frustrated that there is such a huge difference between her teachers violin and her current one!
Goodness, strings are a minefield! Dominants are good, reliable, will stay stable for a long time. DD has enjoyed Evah Pirazzi's - they are gorgeous but don't last as long. Currently on Peter Infields with an Optima Goldbrokat gold E, this is a wonderful combination on her violin. So clean! But as others have said, it's personal preference and trial and error with what suits the actual instrument too. If she's got a very special violin then worth experimenting. Otherwise, dominants are a really safe bet.
KittyOSullivanKrauss · 22/07/2021 22:08

Congratulations on the exam results and welcome Herbaceous. That's amazing progress for your DS!

My DS (nearly 12) got a distinction (139) in his G5 piano performance. He was really pleased and deservedly so as there's been so much disruption over the past year and he changed teachers just a few weeks before taking the exam. Next term we'll need to decide if he sticks with the performance exam route or goes back to the traditional exams. I've got no idea which would be best so if anyone has any thoughts on this I'd be grateful. He thinks he'd like some sort of career in music so we don't want to close down options.

herbaceous · 23/07/2021 11:28

Well done to your DS! 139 is an excellent result.

I must say I don't know much about the performance exams. Do they have the same 'cachet' as the 'normal' ones? I thought DS would prefer them, as they involve NO scales, but he wanted to do the normal ones, as it seemed more 'proper'.

thirdfiddle · 23/07/2021 12:15

Hi herbaceous, and wow at 150 score! That's quite something not to slip up once. If his horn is progressing as fast as piano did he'll be a great scholarship candidate - often a shortage instrument.
And well done Kitty's DS too!

I think it's quite interesting all the different recorded/performance exam options springing up. Really poses the question what they are taking the exam for. As a tool to improve your playing? To motivate practice? As a milestone to show where you are? Because you need to prove your standard to someone? To practice performing and get feedback? Because you like collecting certificates? Because it's just The Done Thing?

Which type of exam to take probably depends on why you're taking it. If there are scholarships and stuff involved I'd be inclined to go full in person exam in case the assessors are impressed by these things and because you're likely to be tested on other aspects like scales and sight reading in a scholarship audition too.
If they don't routinely practice sight reading/scales it's a good excuse to get those things happening.
I'm more inclined to do performance/digital for intermediate level exams that are just in passing. You could do a quick recorded exam where you might otherwise have skipped a grade. Particularly if the timing of waiting around for the next exam session doesn't work out.

(Really we just do what their teachers tell us though!)

CornflowersInTheLongGrass · 23/07/2021 12:18

Is anyone's child off to the Wells summer school on Sunday?

QueenMabby · 23/07/2021 14:17

Agree thirdfiddle.

DD did the full grades for 1, 2 and 3. She skipped 4 but did 5 as a performance (reasonably last minute as she was gearing up for the usual grade and then lockdown happened and performance was easy to do online) and is I think heading for 6 as a performance too - she has several pieces on the go, three of which “happen” to be on the g6 syllabus and she’ll just pick one of the others to go along side.

I think it does help with repertoire to see these pieces as part of a well rounded performance rather than three stand alone pieces that are hoops to jump through iyswim? DD’s teacher continues to grill her on scales etc anyway.

Also for second and third instruments it’s nice not to have to do say g3 aural if you’ve already done it with a different instrument exam!

KittyOSullivanKrauss · 25/07/2021 20:30

Thanks for the thoughts on the exams. The ABRSM say that performance exams are equivalent but, exactly as herbaceous says I am worried about whether everyone will agree and the potential for it to limit opportunities further down the line, in case we came across someone who valued the traditional exams over these new ones.

That said, DS quite likes scales and sees the point of them so I think he could be persuaded to continue doing them as part of practise. He's got naturally good aural skills, although he's embarrassed about singing he can actually do it if he chooses to. Sight reading was his weakest point in exams, but he's joined a few ensembles recently and can manage it fine in 'real life' IYSWIM so again begs the question of what he's doing it for.

His teacher seems to like the new performance exams and said she thinks this route would enable more time to spend on technique (which he needs). To be fair, his technique has improved massively since being with her.
DS is very keen on a musical career and especially keen on composing at the moment but he's not even 12 yet so no idea how this will turn out. He's keen on the idea of doing GSCE & A level music (both offered at his school).
Lots to think about and thanks so much for the thoughts & discussion 😊

minisnowballs · 26/07/2021 09:36

I think it must be really hard to record all of those pieces straight off for performance exams - particularly on instruments where you need an accompanist and it isn't a family member - how many takes are you going to have to do?

I don't think DD2 would have been mature enough to persevere through many takes, and would have ended up doing quite badly - so the normal exams have worked well for her. But most of her teachers think the examiners (ABRSM at least) are pickier for the performance ones, so I think would be more impressed with scores from those, not less!

KittyOSullivanKrauss · 26/07/2021 22:13

Minisnowballs I agree completely. The performance recordings were tough going. He only ever managed two takes in a row and we did them over a weekend, ending up with three to pick from. Definitely very demanding. I could see how much stamina it took to psyche himself up to do it and then sustain the level throughout 4 pieces. It looked exhausting! It was really important not to aim for perfection as there were no takes without errors. The exam slot was way after we submitted so technically he could have done a few more but he declared after we'd done the last take that he was never playing his A piece again 😂. The feedback was detailed and I think he's learned a lot through the process.

thirdfiddle · 26/07/2021 22:35

We have done 3 recorded exams and progressively less takes with each. The single take one got the highest mark.

thirdfiddle · 26/07/2021 22:36

(And it wasn't single take because it went well, it took some persuading to get DC to record it even once.)

KittyOSullivanKrauss · 27/07/2021 08:12

thirdfiddle the recording we submitted was the first take 😄

chocorabbit · 27/07/2021 13:33

@KittyOSullivanKrauss how is your DS's school's music teaching at his school? In our DSs' secondary children who have never had any music lessons haven't learnt anything. When our DS1 used to tell us about it we were suspicious as his grades in music were bad. However, since DS2 started and confirmed it it makes sense that the highest GCSE grade in the last few years was a 6. Most children didn't even know the notes on the piano. I believe most other teachers in other schools to be competent and I probably sound deranged but please research it a bit more before your DS takes up GCSE music.

QueenMabby · 27/07/2021 14:46

I always say to dd that we do three takes and then pick the one she feels happiest about. I think that takes the pressure off them somewhat for it to be perfect. If it wasn’t limited that way dd would stop at each mistake and insist on starting again!

She did her piano performance recording at school and they allowed her two takes.

I think her piano teacher will act as accompanist for her cello exam which will help as she’ll feel comfortable with that.

DD also wants to do music gcse. She has an instrumental award at school (bit like a half scholarship) so I think it’s expected. Fortunately school has a large and active music department and gets great GCSE (and A level results).
This year (year 7) she’s obviously not learnt a lot in music but for the theory lessons her music teacher just let her work independently on her g5 theory so that worked.

minisnowballs · 27/07/2021 16:46

Chocorabbit that's terrible. Both of mine want to do music GCSE, and my year 9 has already picked it. They go to an ordinary comp, in an area where most really musical kids are creamed off by either the state academies with 'music scholarships' or the private schools with real scholarships, so you wouldn't maybe expect the best.

But there are plenty of 8s and 9s in the music results and I think everyone learns in the music lessons. In Year 7 and 8, everyone takes music and everyone is expected to learn to read staff notation, for a start.

There are keyboard tasks in lessons (there are usually four skill levels to choose from on any task and DD2 who has just finished year 7 and who is about to take Grade 7 in a non-keyboard instrument, usually does the second from top - so there is differentiation), and basic composing on garageband. And quite a lot of singing.

Once they pick music GCSE it steps up. DD1s classmates are mostly grade 4 and 5 in year 9 (because it is self-selecting who takes it) - which is fine for GCSE as you don't need to play anything harder than that - perfectly possible to get grade 9 in performance with a grade 5 piece. They do theory, which is at least as hard as grade 5 theory in Year 9, and some pretty tricky listening papers - writing down notes onto a score from listening to them for example. They learn to compose in different styles.

In extracurricular terms (when no covid) there is a swing band, orchestra, flute group, cello group, two choirs and a madrigal/chamber choir group and a specialist teacher who takes small groups to do more contemporary bands each day after school. Instrumental lessons free for those on FSM, cheap for everyone else.

It's honestly seen as a very ordinary local school - and somewhat looked down on by those who like a shiny academy and who cannot work out why DD2 picked it when she could have gone for a scholarship elsewhere - but the music seems to be the least of our worries. What a shame it isn't always like that.

KittyOSullivanKrauss · 28/07/2021 13:28

Chocorabbit sounds awful! DS goes to a very large mainstream secondary in an area where few go to grammar so there is a large and active music dept with lots of different ensembles and musically accomplished kids around. Tons of performance opportunities in 'normal' times. The music teachers already know DS and he's had differentiated work this year. It's a good point to ask about the grades that they've achieved, so we'll definitely do that at options time.

thirdfiddle · 28/07/2021 20:51

Those of you who've done online theory- if I can't get the online practice exam here to work on our device, does that mean an actual exam is not going to work either?
gb.abrsm.org/en/our-exams/online-theory/exam-preparation-resources/

yodaforpresident · 29/07/2021 08:34

I don’t think so as it’s basically a pre-exam system check. Has it not told you what the problem is?

chocorabbit · 29/07/2021 09:27

That's brilliant @KittyOSullivanKrauss

Our boys are not musical and have chosen other subjects so it's not a problem for us. It's absolutely great that you have chosen the school that best suits you!

Good luck to the rest of you with your exams, whether theory or instrument.

Does anyone know if you do the performance exam, can the 4th piece be of a higher grade or completely outside their past exams list?

thirdfiddle · 29/07/2021 12:50

I don’t think so as it’s basically a pre-exam system check. Has it not told you what the problem is?
I found an actual pre exam system check which checks out okay.
And then the practice online exams in my link above tried to run its own system check which got stuck with browser row saying "in progress".
Tried same on a tablet which shouldn't work and it gives a fail and a help link to "page not found".

yodaforpresident · 29/07/2021 12:55

Have you tried with a different browser - I think Chrome usually works better than Safari. Also try switching on/ off pop-ups.

thirdfiddle · 29/07/2021 12:56

Thanks, will try that.