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Starting music lessons

26 replies

icklekid · 10/04/2021 06:30

My ds school have just sent out information about 1:1 music lessons starting at his school from year 2 upwards. He is in year 2 and has said he would like to but he is academically not doing brilliantly- he struggled and had speech therapy for several years age 3/4 and obviously lockdown hasn’t helped! It’s £12 a lesson which feels like a lot if it’s going to be something else he finds hard. My gut is to wait another year - he’s not even turned 7 yet (summer birthday) but I also think children can learn a lot by learning an instrument.

Interested in when other children started learning an instrument and how they found it?
Thanks!

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Ohdoleavemealone · 10/04/2021 06:50

I started lessons in year 4. Our school allowed it from year 3 but my parents wanted to check I was committed for a year before paying out.
I think this was a good idea.
My son has been asking for piano lessons. I bought a cheap keyboard to see if he was really interested but he rarely uses it so I won't be paying for lessons in September.

LunaTheCat · 10/04/2021 06:57

If he’s keen go for it! - music adds a lot children’s ability to learn.
( I say this as a frustrated adult trying to master an instrument!)

Eileen101 · 10/04/2021 06:58

Following with interest. I'm wondering what is the best age to start my son off.

I started in year 4 when it was first offered. I carried on into adulthood. My niece started in year 2 with the cornet and now is actively progressing with the violin and piano in year 6. I do think it depends on the child and their concentration span. I don't think I could have started so early as my school reports from those ages show I had a limited attention span and struggled in class until year 3.

What instruments do you plan to begin with?

Insertfunnyname · 10/04/2021 07:00

I would say age 8 is a good time to start unless particularly musically gifted. My son started at age 8 on the piano and within a few months was the same level as friends who had been going weekly since age 5.

horseymum · 10/04/2021 07:41

Music may give him a chance to shine if he has had previous struggles with speech. One to one lessons are lovely, how often do children get the undivided attention of another adult like that. My children have great relationships with their teachers. Mine started at 7 with piano. 6 is not too young if he understands the need to practice (getting into a daily habit is best, even if it is only 5-10 to start with). Don't be discouraged if he doesn't love the first instrument he tries, it may take a couple of goes to find the perfect one but the lessons will never be wasted. Eg he might start on violin but discover he really loves double bass when he gets to high school or starts on cornet but changes to saxophone. There are so many benefits, the joy of making music, joining ensembles, learning to overcome nerves when performing. Go for it! But equally if you think it will put him off starting just now, wait a bit but let him hear plenty of different styles of music so he might have an idea what he wants to play.

Musicaldilemma · 10/04/2021 08:00

My year 2 DS started violin at the beginning of year 1 and is taking Grade 3 shortly. His brother did the same and by 9 was playing 3 instruments and 2 to Grade 6 standard (elder sister too). They have plenty of friends who are about the same and they are academic kids, quite musical, I would not say musically gifted.

They did learn to read books very easily age 3/4 so I think that helped with learning to read music too, but my boys are more quiet/intellectual types and were not early talkers. Most of the kids we do know who started quite early are also academic and that continues into secondary school. For example, the local grammar is full of very musical children. I think the most important thing is to ask whether your DS has the time to practise a minimum of 10-15 minutes every day initially (gradually building up as he gets older) as that is what makes all the difference. Sometimes practice before school is the best when they are young. Music is meant to improve fine motor skills and form connections in the brain and it is very good for children if they can enjoy it. However, children who do not practise regularly do not progress as fast as those who do - I would go as far as saying as it is somewhat pointless without regular practice. I do not regret my children starting early -ish (all by Year 1) because they now play beautifully but it is a huge commitment for both child and parent at a young age. There is lots on YouTube these days that they can practise along with which helps. Lots and lots of praise and rewards initially is very important and finding a time of day when they are happy to do it.
As a parent of a teen now I would say I am very happy she does music because she hangs out with the academic and musical kids doing it and that is good for her (so the peer group is excellent), gets them off screens/keeps them out of trouble and encourages good friendships including with nice, kind boys.

icklekid · 10/04/2021 08:35

Thank you so much for all the comments - really really helpful. We could definitely do some daily practice in the morning but I think year 3 probably makes the most sense for now. For those who do have lessons does the price sound reasonable?

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horseymum · 10/04/2021 08:52

You will get huge ranges for prices. I think musicians union rates are £20 for 30 minutes, but more qualified/ experienced teachers may charge more and different areas may charge more. A teacher in a school may charge less as they have no travelling to each pupil etc and they may be employed rather than self employed. Or the school may subsidise it. If the £12 is for twenty or thirty minutes, that sounds fine to me ( a touch more than our unqualified piano teacher but less than the very well qualified wind teacher). There may be instrument hire on top, as well as some books and bits and pieces like strings or reeds. It's well worth it in my opinion though ( paying for music lessons is basically why I work!)

FlattestWhite · 10/04/2021 09:19

I think it's always worth exposing a child to music lessons if you can afford it, even if he isn't old enough to get as much out of it as he might next near. The actual experience of enjoying music and trying something new can be beneficial for learning and brain development, especially if you don't put pressure on him to 'get anywhere' with the music, and just do it for fun. Practice is still important, but not in the sense of having to keep up with others, just for his own development. If you are willing to practice regularly with him, that will be hugely beneficial. If he waits for a year or two, then he may always feel like a beginner compared to those who started earlier, and that can be hard on confidence (even if he catches up quickly! I remember still always feeling less good because others had more chance to do ensembles, were just a bit more slick at everything, and even if I worked hard, I still always felt like i'd missed out and they were always going to be better than me). You might also find that he shines in music where he doesn't in academics, and that could give him confidence and a chance to feel successful at something.

One of my early teachers wouldn't take children until they could read - mostly because she didn't think they should be trying to learn two difficult things at the same time, and also because she thought that some of those skills would help for the lessons she gave. I'm not sure she's right - I know lots of children who have learned well before they could read etc, but she was quite old fashioned, and liked if children could read the instructions and explanations in the books and do some of the simple note-reading exercises themselves. I don't think it's necessary - there were a few very basic academic skills that did help if a child is doing formal music-reading (not by any means the only way of teaching music though) - things like knowing the alphabet (first bit) in order, forwards and backwards (e.g., helps if you want to know what note is next to F, before or after), counting and some idea of cutting things into half or quarters, but really it's mostly non-academic things like listening carefully, learning to keep a steady pulse, etc. and especially personality things - persistence, co-ordination, concentration, being able to multi-task or practicing until you can, etc. Some of those skills do tend to also help with academics, so you might find that children who find school easy also take easily to music lessons, but many of the children who don't find academics easy have developed great skills in persistence and trying again and working to get things right.

The cost varies hugely by area. I think it's more like £20 for individual half hour lessons here - and really, if you can possibly do individual lessons, I think it is much easier for a teacher to adapt to a child at whatever level of ability/concentration etc they have if it's individual, so he'd likely get more out of that than a greater number of paired/group lessons. 30-minutes sounds long, but if they're a school, some of it gets taken up by getting the child to the room, getting the instrument ready, chatting, finding music books, etc, and there isn't as much time left as you think - people I know who teach 20 minute lessons are always complaining they barely get started before it's time to return the child and get the next one! There are lots of activities a teacher can do in the time, so it's not 30 minutes of the same thing, and teachers of young children are used to adapting and making games out of activities to keep concentration up.

Parental interest and practising with a child - and actually thinking about what they are practising/trying to improve it rather than just going through the motions to say it's done - are some of the biggest helps.

Enidblyton1 · 10/04/2021 09:28

One of mine started recorder in Y2 and the other asked to start piano in Y1. She should have probably waited until Y2, but she was desperate to start. Both really enjoy the lessons, but the recorder player has made a lot more progress - easier instrument!

Standard first instruments seem to be recorder, drums, piano or violin. All very different so it depends what your child might prefer. My recorder playing child wants to play saxophone eventually. The pianist fancies herself as a singer songwriter. I think they’ve both benefitted hugely from their instruments, but they’ve always wanted to do it so I haven’t had to force them - although I still have to remind them to practise. Fine to wait until Y3 I’d say.

£12 for a half hour 1.1 lesson sounds amazingly cheap. We have to pay £30!

CMeredithC · 10/04/2021 09:30

How long are the lessons? £12 for a half hour is cheap as chips, the normal rate is more like £20/30. I charge £40-45 an hour privately. But obviously in school, especially a state school, it will be cheaper.

I started one month before my 6th birthday but I was quite mature for my age. I’d say the best time to start is before the ages of 6 and 8. The child needs to have the ability to focus and remember what they’ve done in the lesson so they can practise it during the week - of course with some parental help at the beginning.

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 10/04/2021 09:42

DS(11) started violin in P4 (Y3) and it has been a fantastic thing for his confidence and has helped his academic learning too. I think it is fair to say that they are learning a second language when doing music! He's not sporty, so this is his "thing".

He's now P7 (Y6) practicing for his Grade 3, and is keen to keep violin on for going into big school which makes me happy because he will have an instant social circle.

Our Education Authority lessons in school (zoom at the mo!) are £8.50 for 20 mins. This is in NI.

doesanybodyhaveamap · 10/04/2021 22:48

Both my DC's were 5-6 starting on their instruments. But I was actively involved in lessons and practice. If lessons are happening in school without you being able to sit in then you might be as well waiting a while. Also it needs to be the right time for everyone - as others have said, daily practice is key and parental support with practice is hugely beneficial. Even if you don't play the instrument just being on hand to make sure they are following what's been written in the notebook by teacher and offering well timed praise and generally being engaged with their learning and progress will make all the difference.

£12 per lesson is extremely reasonable!

Whenever you do take the plunge, enjoy the journey 😀

Paddleroundthepier · 13/04/2021 15:52

My DD was age 4 in nursery when she started piano and completed her ABRSM prep test at the end of nursery year. She started her 2nd instrument (Woodwind) in year 2 aged 7. I was involved in practice for the first few years, sitting in and coaching all the practice sessions, a little every day is how we started. She doesn't consider herself to have a first and second instrument now as they are both the same, both instruments have opened so many doors and opportunities for her.

CraftyGin · 13/04/2021 15:54

£12 is a bargain.

ilovesushi · 16/04/2021 21:39

I would be a little bit wary of starting too early with an instrument that might be too heavy or too difficult to manage and coordinate and so could feel difficult and off putting. A recorder or piano or keyboard could be good to start with. I think my DD started clarinet in Y3. She found it quite tricky to hold and cover the fingers until she grew a little. Going great guns now!
Also if he is struggling academically it is possible he may struggle to read music. Both my DC struggled to read music initially but were great at playing by ear. Having teachers sympathetic to their strengths and weaknesses was key!

Londonmummy66 · 16/04/2021 23:24

DC1 has just got a scholarship to Royal College of Music - started 2 instruments at beginning of Yr3 at just turned 7. Lots of the children they work with started when they were in nappies.

Eesha · 17/04/2021 06:48

I was just about to post a similar question. Mine have just turned 5 and im debating piano lessons which the school offers. Is it worth them learning from such a young age?

BikeRunSki · 17/04/2021 07:05

That price sounds reasonable , but how long are the lessons? Both my dc started music lessons in Y2, but both are autumn birthdays. DSn(now Y7) in particular has got so much out of music (uke, then guitar). He’s not into football and rugby, music is his thing. It’s something that has given him a bit of stability through lockdown - his music teacher covers his primary and secondary schools and continued teaching in Zoom.

If your ds is keen, run with that interest. You can always stop, or change teacher/instrument. Both dc started on 10 min lessons, and have built up time as they have got older.

lanthanum · 17/04/2021 23:56

I think the right age depends very much on the child, and also to quite an extent on the teacher. I gave up the piano at 6, as I wasn't ready - I started again at age 8 and continued to grade 8 (and still playing very regularly).
DD started trying out our piano at 5 - we had a beginner book. She got interested in the Easter holidays, so I waited to see if she persisted when school went back, then got in touch with a teacher. She started another instrument at 7. Some of her friends started rather later, and some of them caught her up.

Fruitloopcowabunga · 18/04/2021 20:35

DS 8, DD 7 - both brass instruments, which they enjoy as it's very sociable. How long will the lessons be? £12 would be a very fair price for half an hour 1:1. Second the importance of daily practice, even if only for 10 mins. DS has ASD and music gives him a real sense of achievement - we always say, even if you're not the best, you're a darn sight better than us who can't play at all!

chocorabbit · 27/04/2021 15:44

@lanthanum

I think the right age depends very much on the child, and also to quite an extent on the teacher. I gave up the piano at 6, as I wasn't ready - I started again at age 8 and continued to grade 8 (and still playing very regularly). DD started trying out our piano at 5 - we had a beginner book. She got interested in the Easter holidays, so I waited to see if she persisted when school went back, then got in touch with a teacher. She started another instrument at 7. Some of her friends started rather later, and some of them caught her up.
I did similarly but with the guitar! I started at 6 and gave up and then my father took me again when I was 9 and for 8 years I covered material to grade 8 (I was never graded though).
thirdfiddle · 18/01/2025 15:50

I'm guessing the £12 may be for a small-group lesson? would be a bargain for 1:1. Make sure you know what you're getting and be prepared to switch track to 1:1, if it isn't already, if that turns out to be needed or recommended.

I think it's fine as an age to start if the teacher is used to teaching that age group in an engaging way, and if the child is keen. Beginning of next school year would also be great - give you a chance to check he is consistent about wanting to take this on as it is a commitment to practice regularly.

I had one very early starter (violin at 3, piano at 5), and one more normal (piano at 7, brass at 9). They've both got a lot out of it and it worked fine. I think whether other people learned faster or slower at different ages is not very relevant. They all have varying abilities and varying levels of commitment. It's not a race to grade 8, they're learning for the fun of playing now.

Eesha · 19/01/2025 08:00

I posted 3 years ago, mine were 5 and i tried them out on piano. They just didn't take to piano so i stopped it but we started again at 8 and they seem to enjoy it. I don't have much expectations of grading at its so early but they definitely seem to have more enthusiasm to learn now. In London, it's about 23 per half hour lesson

Pollypocket81 · 12/03/2025 22:01

I would actually be concerned that the standard of teaching was not high or the teacher not experienced if they charge £12 a lesson. It may be that it's only for 15 minutes but that would be a waste of time. 20 minutes is a minimum you'd want your child to have. I'd go for lessons if your child is keen and they may find it is a chance to shine in a new area.

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