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Trinity Exam today and not happy

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disenchantedtoday · 31/03/2019 20:59

My son did his grade 8 trombone at Trinity Laban in Greenwich today. We chose that venue because, although further from home, we were impressed that they did exams on a Sunday (easier logistically for us, despite the longer journey) and thought it would be well-managed, being - I suppose - a flagship venue (having had bad experiences at school and local exam centres).

Pieces apparently went well. Nice room, nice piano, accompanist said he played excellently.

But then .... apparently members of the public were free to walk around outside (ok, it's a major London landmark with - presumably - public access around the outside) but also could walk right up to the windows of the hall and peer in. At one point there were a couple of kids with their noses right up against the glass, and at another point he said there were 5 adults just standing there, staring in. I guess he managed to block it out during the pieces, but it really distracted him during the supporting tests to the point where he really fluffed the aural tests. Apparently the examiner wouldn't have seen as she had her back to the windows. I don't know if the steward would have been aware. My son didn't say anything.

He came out really upset and flustered and just wanted to get out of the building as quickly as possible. The full story only came out after we'd left and were walking down the road. I didn't feel able to go back and have a word. Also, not sure who I could have spoken to since the waiting room was staffed by a couple of students who barely looked up from their phones.

So, what do I do? I really think this was unacceptable and unfair. I know, as a musician, you have to be able to accept the unexpected and carry on (which he managed to do in the pieces) but this was unfair and detrimental in an exam situation, I think. On top of everything, he has ASD and we had worked hard on 'what ifs' and went through carefully what to expect (as far as we possibly could, as we don't know the venue). I went over everything I could think of, but not the fact that there might be some muppet members of the public gawping at him.

I've seen on the Trinity website that there's a form for 'feedback' but I know from general enquiries that they've not good at responding. Given that they tend to give out results quite quickly anyway, I want to make my complaint as soon as possible. Planning to ring up in the morning.

Anyone got any advice? I see that the appeals procedure is expensive and long-winded (bloody cheek).

I'm so sorry for my son (as well as angry): these exams cost a fortune, kids put in hours of work, and get this kind of treatment. He was hopeful for a distinction (which his teacher thought was perfectly possible) but he really doesn't think that's now going to be the outcome.

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Comefromaway · 02/04/2019 13:42

That to my mind is not acceptable. For all music and drama exam boards I have dealt with the entrance to the exam room itself has not been accessible and there have been quiet exams in progres signs up.

I would write a formal complaint now (or it might look like sour grapes if the result is not what you would like) . Their complaints policy is not the most transparent but I would start with making a formal complaint (even if it appears you should be folowing the results/exam procedure policy) because the latter incurs charges.

NeleusTheStatue · 02/04/2019 14:34

I am very sorry for what happened to your DS. I think you should write a formal complaint like PP suggested. It's good to make them aware how things are being handled at their exam venues.

DS told me the examiner for his grade 8 violin was munching sandwiches while he was playing the pieces (and the examiner arrived late too). DS was a bit distracted but wasn't upset and anyway managed to get a distinction so I didn't think of complaining about it. But the teacher seemed to be shocked and pretty angry when DS told her about it. It was ABRSM though, I wonder if this kind of discouraging behaviour is not so unusual across all the exam boards. It is a pity really.

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disenchantedtoday · 02/04/2019 16:27

Thanks for your responses.

I rang Trinity yesterday morning (Monday, day after the exam) and got put straight through to the local representative for the London area. I explained the situation to him. I think he was about to fob me off but I interrupted him and said it was an unacceptable. He asked me to put it in writing to him directly, which I did. He emailed straight back to say he would investigate. Haven't heard anything yet, so I'll email in the morning, and follow up with a phone call if I don't get anything by the afternoon.

Comefromaway: you're so right, the complaints procedure is not transparent and - good grief- looks like it costs the same as the exam! And I'd also thought I needed to get in there before it just looks like sour grapes.

I don't want it to slow down getting his results but, on the other hand, I can't let it go.

My son's teacher was really cross about it. She doesn't think they'll shift at all on the marks but thinks I need to follow it up.

No idea what I want / expect to happen next. If he missed a Distinction by a wide margin, fair enough. If he missed it by a mark or two then it's more upsetting. Just getting a basic pass is a thought I don't want to even entertain as he would be gutted. He was certainly perfectly able to get a Distinction.

I'm not a great supporter of exams at all as I can't help but see them as a massive money-spinner (I worked for the ABRSM many years ago, and it was all about the money).

Neleus: I actually warned him the examiner might be munching biscuits (apparently she wasn't). In my final year recital at college, a well-known and respected instrumental teacher sat scoffing a massive doughnut ...

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NeleusTheStatue · 02/04/2019 17:05

disenchantedtoday, the examiner had a glorious CV by the way....

I understand they may need a quick bite but it can be done in a more modest manner. Anyway DS was given the first slot on the day so it wasn't like the examiner had been there for many hours. In fact the examiner arrived late so we had to wait anxiously before it started. It's done and gone so I don't feel bitter about it. But I just think it shouldn't be this way for any candidate.

disenchantedtoday · 02/04/2019 17:48

Neleus: I agree. A bit of decorum wouldn't go amiss. Sense of occasion and all that. Every time I see a picture on a CD cover / programme /magazine of the miscreant from my recital, I see him eating a massive pink doughnut. Funny that it was nearly 30 years ago and I still remember it was pink. Peasant.

So, in my son's case, the examiner was perfectly well-behaved. Hadn't factored in stupid (I assume) tourists. Given that the centre is in the middle of a bloody World Heritage area, you'd think they'd be used to dealing with passing tourists and would put a sign or a cordon up.

I joked that, if I'd known there was free access, I could have gone round and put my nose against the glass myself. Except, of course, I wouldn't dream of anything so awful. And actually prefer not to listen anyway ...

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NeleusTheStatue · 03/04/2019 03:10

I really hope they acknowledge your complaint and that your DS receives the result he deserves.

disenchantedtoday · 03/04/2019 11:02

I emailed again this morning and the guy I'm in touch with came straight back and said he hopes to have enough info to be able to get back to me this afternoon. At least someone is communicating. Although I'm not sure what to expect / hope for!!

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NeleusTheStatue · 03/04/2019 11:19

I think your action itself has meaning and will help make a difference for future candidates. Perhaps I should have sent a quick email just to make them aware of how things were being handled, but it's too late to bring up as DS took the exam a year ago. It's good you are doing it now.

disenchantedtoday · 04/04/2019 13:05

UPDATE! The boy got a Distinction! I'm so happy for him (actually, it's an understatement - I'm delirious and wonder if it's too early for a celebratory drink).

The exam co-ordinator let me have the results by email and apologised for the disturbance at the exam. He seemed to take it all seriously and said that in future they will make sure the hall is cordoned off outside and there are signs up. So, definitely worth making a fuss even though the result is a good one. Hopefully it will help candidates in the future.

Thanks for your support. Sometimes I do have to check I'm not being one of 'those' parents, and this was a good place to check that!

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Comefromaway · 04/04/2019 13:31

CONGRATULATIONS!

And on behalf of anyone else whose children are due to take music exams (my two also have asd and dd had an issue with her LAMDA exam but she took it at school and it was partly the fault of her school) thank you for helping to ensure that this won't happen in the future.

NeleusTheStatue · 04/04/2019 16:10

Congratulations to both of you!!

dancinfeet · 12/04/2019 08:08

Congratulations on your son's Distinction, and thank you for pursuing this with them to help future exam candidates. I teach dance, and would be horrified if any of my exam candidates were distracted in an exam by people gawping in at them through windows, which is completely unacceptable.

DocusDiplo · 12/04/2019 08:12

But should't he resit his exam cos the exam conditions were not good?

Lotsofmilkonesugar · 12/04/2019 10:15

Congratulations to your DS 🌟

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