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Encouraging interest in dance

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Chilver · 23/04/2018 19:15

My 6yo DD has started a street dance class and absolutely loves it. She says she wants to be a dancer/ musician and, when allowed to watch, watches a US show about dancers who do all types of contemporary dance which she adores. She spends all her time dancing at home, and whilst I can see she is very energetic and inventive with her 'choreography', it is without much skill as she doesn't really know how to dance with 'moves' as yet.

She used to do pre-school gymnastics and ballet but asked to stop them - I've tried explaining how the dancers she's seen in class (teachers) and on the TV show have spent years learning different types of dance to be able to do what they do so perhaps she could do street dance AND ballet or gymnastics or....

As I am not a dancer at all, I am a little lost as how to encourage her interest in a way that would give her the skills to dance how she wants. Is a one hour street dance class enough? Should she do something with a structure and exams for example?

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MIdgebabe · 23/04/2018 19:32

She's quite young still - does she really need another extra curricular activity? She has time yet to add other dance forms as she get older.

For girls, taking it serious by age 8:9 is probably needed. Boys can start at 14 and still make it

If she isn't interested in more structured dance and learning key skills then she may not be suited to dance as her long term future anyway. that requires tremendous commitment.

Just having fun dancing will keep her fit, give her friends and give her an identity outside of school and family...so all good.

Make sure she knows the opportunity is there. Also consider more general stage/acting /modern/tap as options

Ballet and gymnastics don't got well together

Chilver · 23/04/2018 21:17

Hi, thanks for the feedback. As I said, I am not a dancer, so appreciate the advice. Great to hear that she can add other fance forms later on if she wants to. I don't want to overwhelm her, just encourage what seems to be her prime interest (for now!).

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Lonecatwithkitten · 24/04/2018 10:27

Slightly different perspective DD (14) keen to pursue career in musical theatre did ballet age 5-8 the. Dropped it and took up tap dancing. Now starting GCSE dance and needing to go back to adult beginner ballet to get core and basic skills even though her teacher describes her as very talented. I wish I had encouraged her to stick with the ballet.
If your DD sticks with the music/dance by 14 you are likely to be looking at least 14 hours of outside school activities per week. DD has had fabulous reviews from external sources for her performances and distinctions in grade 5 acting and singing, but it comes from hours of rehearsals and classes.

Chilver · 24/04/2018 15:07

Thanks lonecat, appreciate the other perspective.

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dancinfeet · 26/04/2018 10:42

I will be honest here (dance teacher). Most children take dance recreationally - for a few hours a week, which is fine as a form of fitness and a hobby.

The problem with dancing at a recreational level (a few hours a week) is that if the child gets to age 14 or so and decides that they want a career in dance, if at a high level (such as aiming for ballet school or one of the top conservatoires) then most of the time it's too late if they leave it until their teens to start training on a more serious level.

A dancer aiming for a career in the industry ideally needs to start training around age 7 or 8, to maximise their potential and to place them on an equal footing at auditions for full time schools (whether this is for entry at age 11, 14, 16 or 18). This is very young to make a career choice, but not unusual - you see young sports persons joining their county teams, swim and gymnastic squad training starts around this age or even younger etc. and of those who do opt for an intensive training many will drop out or change their mind along the way, which makes the whole process a bit of a gamble. This isn't to say that dance has no value as a recreational hobby as it is exercise and gives a creative outlet and much enjoyment can be had from dancing just for fun, but for a career in dance the earlier the training begins the better, as it isn't something that you can learn in a short space of time. Like any sport, you get out what you put in, and if your child is attending 3 hours of 'fun' classes a week they are not going to be improving at the same rate as a child of the same age who attends 12+ hours of classes a week in the core subjects (ballet, tap and modern) plus additional classes such as jazz, contemporary, acrobatics and conditioning/technique classes. To some degree, natural ability and potential also comes into it, but talent is of no use if it is not nurtured and trained correctly. And like in any sport or hobby that requires you to aim to be the best in your field you will sometimes come across pushy and ambitious parents and children.

And yes to ballet being the core to all forms of dance, even if your child has no intention of becoming a ballerina it is still an important core subject if they want to pursue dance as a career. Many performers now are aiming to become 'triple threat' performers (equally able in singing, acting and dance) as they are in high demand in the industry. It's fiercely competitive and places (and funding) for full time schools and colleges are in high demand. There are other dance/theatre related career options besides performing - I have former students who are now a theatre technician, performing arts teacher, fitness instructor, contemporary dance choreographer and one former student who runs a successful dance school of her own.

If a child wants to take dance as a career the cost of classes and extras (dancewear, costumes, exam fees etc) can be expensive, but this should not be a reason to avoid start dance classes as a hobby, as long as you are clear with yourself at the beginning what you want for your child and how much time and money that you are prepared to commit to it, then it should not be a problem. Issues only arise when parents want a recreational cost and level of commitment, but expect an intensive training level of progress. If you want your child to excel to a professional level then you have to invest into their training (again, just like in any sport). A supportive (but not pushy) parent (or parents) is the best asset a young dancer can have, as without the right support from home it is nearly impossible to pursue it on a serious level.
(Dance Parent = taxi driver, hairdresser, chaperone, seamstress, cheerleader, and personal assistant , to name a few. . . . ! )

This doesn't mean that if a child is a recreational dancer or doesn't seem to have a vast amount of natural ability that they should just give up. Dance classes are a great form of fitness and exercise, they encourage coordination, self discipline and confidence.
I see the dance classes that I teach as like a train journey - only a few of the students that I teach will have their eye on the terminus of the train track (a career in dance) as their final destination and many will disembark at stations along the way (starting secondary school, GCSE's, University) , but it doesn't mean that their journey is any less valuable than those who are in it for the long haul. It's about the skills that they learn that they will carry through with them into their adult life, the experiences had and the friendships made along the way.

The most important thing is that you find the right dance school for your child (and for your expectations as a parent) and that your child is happy and enjoying it. If at any point your child is no longer enjoying their dance classes then it's time to either find a new dance school where your child will thrive, or to let the dance classes go before it becomes something that they will look back on as an unhappy time in their life. Dance class should be a child's happy place, whether that's for one evening a week or every day, and no child should be forced to undertake any training that leaves them unhappy, exhausted or unable to cope.

Malbecfan · 26/04/2018 11:24

dancinfeet what a fab post! So helpful to have the teacher perspective.

I'm a ballet mum and whilst both DDs have done ballet since 3 and passed grade 8, they have no intention of pursuing it as a profession. They loved both their teachers and studied ballet, pointe work and tap. DD1 is now at uni and has not danced since last summer, but when she started rowing for her college, they were stunned by her core strength even though she is tiny. I'm sure that ballet has done a lot for her.

dancinfeet · 26/04/2018 21:32

Malbecfan I'm sure that your daughters have given a lot of pleasure to their teacher's over the years! In some ways, they are just the sort of students who are just lovely to teach - as they stick with it long enough to become proficient, gain some extra UCAS points from their higher grade exams to help towards University entry, but without all of the pressure of making sure that they reach the standard to pass an audition for full time dance college (which is a big responsibility for the teacher). Quite literally dancing for the sheer enjoyment of it. As you say, some of the skills come in very useful, like the core strength for your daughter's University rowing team. And I bet they can both get dressed / change an outfit in less than 60 seconds after all those backstage quick changes at shows - very useful for when they have overslept at university!!

chelsea555 · 27/04/2018 13:46

Dancinfeet, what a wonderful post thanks for sharing. My daughter is an Irish dancer. There is a huge cost involved between travelling to feises, the costumes, shoes & tuition. She loves it & we would have it no other way. You mentioned pushy parents above, Irish dancing parents are indeed a "special breed" of dance parents! We keep out of politics & watch them from afar, it's very amusing...

Didiplanthis · 27/04/2018 16:18

My dd did ballet at 5 added modern and tap at 6 and now at 8 does ballet, modern,tap, acro, tumbling and a contempory class. She's at a recreational school where they have fun, do shows and get opportunities to perform. She loves it and works hard. I have no doubts though that if she wanted to train seriously she would need to move schools so I think you need to look at the focus of your school. I suspect at a more career driven school she would be being pushed more and while part of me wishes this was an option I also know she is happy enjoying it and having fun and is more likely to stick with it into her teens where we are which from a fitness and enjoyment perspective is probably more important than the unlikely possibility that she might wish to persue it as a career.

Chilver · 27/04/2018 21:48

Thank you all for very insightful posts, particularly dancinfeet - very interesting to hear of the joys and pressures of teaching to the different students aspirations.

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Brokenbiscuit · 28/04/2018 11:05

Absolutely fabulous posts from dancinfeet. You sound a bit like my dd's wonderful dance teacher, who understands above all that dance should be enjoyable, as well as a discipline that requires hard work and commitment. I have heard some horror stories about some other dance schools where the teachers don't seem to accept that dancing recreationally is a valid option.

My almost 13yo dd has been dancing since she was 2.5. She now does ballet, tap, modern, acro, contemporary dance and musical theatre, as well as competition classes. She spends several evenings each week at the dance school, and then of course it's extra time when there are exams/shows/competitions. She appears to be quite talented and is certainly very committed, but she is also very clear that dance is just a hobby, and she has no intention of pursuing a career in it. She also knows that she'd have to put a lot more time into it if she wanted to pursue it seriously, and she isn't prepared to compromise her other interests at this stage in her life.

None of that matters, though, because right now, dance classes are the absolute highlight of her week. For her, dancing is pure joy and she loves it! Sometimes, when I drop her off to her dance class, I can see that she is tired and a bit fed up about stuff that has gone on during the day, but when I pick her up after dance, she is always happy and buzzing with energy. It's remarkable. She has learned so much from dance - about self-discipline, about teamwork, about her own strengths and weaknesses, and about the value of sustained effort towards a goal. She absolutely adores her lovely dance teacher, who has taught her since she was just 4, she is part of a really positive, supportive community through the dance school, and she has made lots of friends. And of course, it keeps her fit!

I am so grateful to her dance teacher for understanding that recreational dance is a valid and positive choice, and for making it so much fun! I am so happy that dd has something in her childhood that she does for the sheer love of it, and I know that she will look back on all of the shows and backstage camaraderie with great fondness.

So, OP, I would definitely encourage your dd's love of dance but also be aware that training seriously for a career in the field requires a huge commitment from quite a young age, from you as well as from dd! However, even if she decides to just do it for fun, there is still a lot of value in that. Smile

TheFlannelsAreBreeding · 29/04/2018 13:32

@dancinfeet What a lovely post Flowers. My dancing dd actually moved schools recently, and is now doing slightly fewer hours but enjoying it so much more. And I’ve been impressed with the new school’s approach - much more focus on Pilates, stretch and conditioning, and much less on the hardest point or the biggest possible turnout. I agree that its about the child’s journey, rather than purely distinctions in exams and success in auditions for youth ballets and vocational schools.

BackInTime · 30/04/2018 15:03

Sometimes, when I drop her off to her dance class, I can see that she is tired and a bit fed up about stuff that has gone on during the day, but when I pick her up after dance, she is always happy and buzzing with energy. It's remarkable.

I relate to this with DD. Doing something physical like dance has enormous positive effects especially in the teenage years. I am not sure about the science but it has something to do with endorphins. Girls seem to be less involved in sports than boys as they get older so miss out on all the benefits this brings. Having dance in their life has so many great and positive benefits as @dancinfeet expessed so well.

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