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Guiders Staff Room Part 3

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Groovee · 08/11/2016 17:51

Reconvening over here ladies.

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BiddyPop · 10/04/2017 12:51

Someone asked the last page about assistant leaders.

In our troupe, we have 5 leaders. Section Leader (now me, I just inherited from another leader who is still very involved TG), and 4 others. I am the only girl leader in our mixed Cubs (24 DCs).

Former SL does a lot and has great rapport with the DCs. He also manages the shared dropbox for our admin but has happily handed over responsibility for paperwork to incoming SL! Grin

Other longest term leader is our QM. Great at anything "scoutcraft" related and on boats. Quite laid back on admin etc.

3rd leader also in before me, very laid back and will organize/run things but needs reminding. Has great contacts (we had a great outing to the Lighthouses HQ this year as 1 of his meetings). Also while doesn't say a lot in admin meetings, tends to be worthwhile what he does say (notices things, and asks the pertinent questions). Officially the Risk assessor - but realistically that's leader 4.

4th leader also a leader in other Cub troupe (has DCs in both) and in girls' scout troupe (we have 2 mixed Cub troupes, then 2 scout troupes which are gender split but do lots jointly, then a mixed rover troupe). Does notice risk things and does things properly (lists of names, not just numbers, when going off outdoors; taking radios and a lifejacket if going down the pier etc) - which is good.

We have a programme which we plan before each term, roughly. We put that in a table, and each session has a leader "in charge". Their role is to organize it, do the weekly communication to parents that week, and any "plan, do, review" stuff we manage (some are better than others). Theoretically, my job is to just turn up about 80% of the time - but it rarely is. There is paperwork, there is planning ahead, juggling changes as some leaders can't make it on their weeks (they are supposed to arrange that themselves but often don't think ahead enough).

On trips away, I am definitely "the mammy"! We're all decent on first aid but I am an occupational first aider at work so highest and most recently trained, and have the bulk of first aid supplies (including emergency sweets, for tears/distraction, loss of energy on hikes, and occasional rewards purposes!). So while they'll come to all of us with first aid needs, especially in daytime - nighttime problems tend to be mine (first aid, homesickness, messing in the girls room! (boys mess lots by day but are so wiped they actually go to sleep at night!), actual illness or any other problems which would tend to be dealt with by Mums at home too). And the guys are all perfectly capable of running the mess tent, but organizing to make it easy seems illogical to them (putting breakfast items separate to dinner items - so the 9 year olds don't raid the crisps as breakfast!) and sometimes of thinking about food before its gone very late and prep takes a while on gas cookers.

I love it, between being back into Scouty stuff, going hiking again, exploring, teaching younger kids stuff I learned, messing about in boats, going back camping after a long hiatus .....and even some of the paperwork and organizing (I am a civil servant as a day job so its not completely alien!). Our Cubs are nice too - mostly. And our parents are as well, and generally supportive of what we are at.

But I do admit that it is a bit of work, and that the others seem, at least, to have a lot less to do between the weekly 90 minute meetings than I do.

The good thing though, because we have a reasonable split of weeks (I definitely take more than 20%, but its better than 100%!), and we can call on parents and other leaders within the group if need be (but 4 is enough most weeks to run our sessions), that we can all have a few weeks a year when we can do other things. Whether that's family stuff (we have to travel for family gatherings and so does 1 other leader), or getting out hiking/biking etc themselves, other social events with friends, or just doing the garden - we can organize that with some advance notice even though we meet on Saturdays - we don't always lose every weekend to it.

And I know I have more training to do - but I am looking forward to that and the chance of a few weekends away from home and those responsibilities (and weekly Cubs meeting)! Grin

BiddyPop · 10/04/2017 12:55

Thanks Grovee - it could be a lot worse, there could have been serious injuries (activity related!) rather than name calling and a slap. And they all responded pretty well to dealing with the aftermath so hopefully that will knock it on its head now.

InflagranteDelicto · 10/04/2017 22:27

Oh Biddy! Sounds a full on weekend! The running of your unit is similar to dd2's cub unit- except they've gone up to something crazy like 40 something kids to accommodate the 8yo beavers. She's one of 4 girls in the unit. Interesting what you say about the girls vs boys sleeping.

BiddyPop · 11/04/2017 10:26

Boys cause chaos by day, but literally wear themselves out. So they are full of plans for midnight feasts etc but all collapse for sleep.

Girls plan better - hoard sweets away, have torches organized, arrange which room will "host", and know how to keep it quiet enough that it happens. And they will stay awake for it.

So boys more trouble (in general) by day, girls by night.

When we actually camp (our only 2 night event), night 1 they are all up late, chatting, (singing!), eating sweets until well after midnight. And all up before 5am with the bright morning - we send them to play football down by the lakeshore for an hour or 2. The second night, we have the campfire and they all drift off in dribs and drabs to bed almost as soon as it gets dark (10.30ish), there is no late night chatter, and they don't get up until about 8 for the early risers (and we've been known to wake the last few at coming up on 10am for their final activity before packing up).

BiddyPop · 11/04/2017 10:28

40 sounds like a lot - far more purely crowd control than having time to really explore the programme. Then again, I am imagining the chaos of 40 on the water - nope, can't, I'd be necking gin at 11am if we had that! Grin Roughly 20 on a weekly basis is bad enough (we have 24, but with other sports etc there's nearly always a handful away).

InflagranteDelicto · 12/04/2017 07:05

I think it is, especially at the beginning and end! During the meeting they split into two or three groups. I can't imagine it! Some beavers struggle, the retention isn't great, and dp's been known to hold a kids down for a term so they're that little bit older and better able to cope.

You described the behaviour perfectly with your first night! Second night- same as first Confused

Had an interesting time last night. There's an old church site on the edge of the village, only a ruin, but the graves are intact. Hs2 (fuckers) will go straight over/through it. Went to a talk last night by the archeologist from hs2, both of us in uniform with a view to getting the village units involved... Watch this space. Exciting, but a shame to lose a beautiful tranquil spot.

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 15/04/2017 11:02

Seem to have potentially recruited two new Rainbow leaders this morning without even trying... wondering if it will actually result in a new unit!

InflagranteDelicto · 19/04/2017 07:35

Wicked, how did you manage that?! I keep thinking the village needs rainbows, but am sitting on my hands....

First night back yesterday. Said a sudden good bye to a 10yr old, wasn't expecting to lose her so quickly. Her place will be filled next week. Woke up to a join us email, looking at the ages in my unit I don't expect a place before Easter Sad

Spent last night p playing games, although an impromptu game of hokey cokey crept in! And parachute games, I loved the parachute as a kid😊

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 19/04/2017 08:32

Well we already have one Rainbow group with a huge waiting list and some parents were on the village FB group talking about how long they were having to wait. So I basically said, well there's a simple solution to that, we have enough girls already 5 to open another 1.5 units so we need people to do that, and boom! It may not yet pan out but fingers crossed!

RueDeWakening · 19/04/2017 21:31

Shock had an email 2 whole days before our meeting to tell me one of my Rainbows isn't coming back Shock I've given her the Brownie details in case, as she's not long turned 7.

It was a lovely email too, thanking me and telling me how much she'd enjoyed it.

Now, if only the rest of the parents would take note... Grin

Imfinehowareyou · 19/04/2017 21:50

Haven't posted for ages but hurrah, simply printed my accounts off this year. Last year spent HOURS and HOURS trying to sort put the muddle I'd inherited and finally put in my own cash just to make it balance. Feel so relieved that I didn't have to do that again.

Becles · 20/04/2017 10:24

Sent out the kit list for our camp next month. I need someone to remind me why am I taking Brownies under canvas?

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 20/04/2017 11:05

I have no idea @becles!! I'm taking mine to PGL this weekend and I that's plenty for me!!

BiddyPop · 20/04/2017 11:23

Because Brownies are all fascinated by nature, and love to wake up to birdsong at stupid o'clock in the morning - but the good news is that there is NO GUILT in the large bottle of wine to be drunk on your return! Grin

They will learn the skills in putting up a tent, and importance of tightening guy ropes to not have it fall on top of them at midnight...

They will get wet and muddy and grin all the time....

You will feel better for all that fresh air - and they will sleep better!

Does any of that help Becles?!

BiddyPop · 20/04/2017 11:24

OOps. I meant to do bold, not italics there...

CrystalQueen · 20/04/2017 15:32

Because Brownies are nicer than stroppy teenage guides and will be less upset about the lack of hair straighteners! They will have an amazing time at their first ever camp.

InflagranteDelicto · 20/04/2017 21:02

What they^ said! They'll love it!

Accounts all ready to hand over- and my printer behaved!

BiddyPop · 21/04/2017 08:26

And Brownies will think that you are amazing to be able to set up and run a camp!😂

Hero worship at its best!

ILookedintheWater · 21/04/2017 14:00

@Becles You camp with Brownies because that mug of tea; the one that you drink at 11pm sitting on a chair in the middle of a field as the last streaks of the sun disappear behind the trees, listening as the soft whispers and crackles of 'forbidden' midnight feasts turn into the soft snores of slumbering Brownies: is the best cuppa of the whole year.

Becles · 22/04/2017 20:41

I'm going to ask you to think lovely thoughts of sunshine for while we are away. No wet tents!

MillicentMargaretAmanda · 22/04/2017 22:16

We saw the amount of rubbish our Brownies brought with us this weekend and promptly confiscated it all and let them have a bit at intervals. If we'd let them have a midnight feast they would have been throwing it all back up at 2am!

BiddyPop · 24/04/2017 16:51

Ilookedinthewater yup, that's the moment!

Becles sunny thoughts on the way (what weekend?)

MillyMollyMandy (or have it missed the literary reference from my youth?!) was it sanctioned or unsanctioned rubbish? We include a note on kit lists to say we'll have plenty of food, not to bring anything but a MAX of 1 sharing bag of sweets if really wanted (we also have to limit types due to allergies - or potentially bankrupt one leader (also a dad to the worst sufferer) in exchanging for non-threatening versions!). They still manage to find a vending machine or tuckshop somewhere almost inevitably, but there's a max of €5 spending money also mentioned in the kit list and the limitations on spending it...and some would like to buy the badge of the campsite when on official ones.

Inflagrento sounds good that all worked out on accounts. I am in the throes of trying to get my Troupe to have any sort of accounts - the wider Group has decent ones (and an actual banker as treasurer which helps) but as we collect weekly/term subs as well, I need our own and my guys are not so hot on paperwork...I have a basic excel sheet to try and get it started.

Today, I am finding ideas for a session on water safety before we start boating in a few weeks. Any ideas for making "how to wear a life jacket" fun, send them on a postcard please!

InflagranteDelicto · 24/04/2017 23:40

Make wear it fun, or make why we wear it clear? Ds sails and a basic club rule is kids don't go past the fence onto the jetty without. So maybe a what would happen? With my unit I'd get them to role play, design a buoyancy aid, and get them trying them on.

For subs collection I have a basic printout with names, then 3 blank columns, perfect for making a note of name, and cash/cheque. Can you get the parents to switch to bank transfer or standing order?

BiddyPop · 25/04/2017 09:55

Making wear it fun. Not wearing it is not an option (legally or as a rule for our insurance), and why we wear it is also made pretty clear. But if it can be less of a "aww, do we have to?" and a bit more of a laugh at the start of the season about them, they might be more accepted. Hmm, trying them on - maybe if I bring them to a den session and do something like a relay race in patrols putting it on, run to the end and back, take it off and pass it back to the next....assuming we have even numbers in the patrols...always a challenge

We changed from weekly in Sept, which sort of worked, and pushed it in January which was a 100% success, for once a term collection. (We think apart from a few who forgot pretty often or parents didn't have change and gave every few weeks, there were a few Cubs pocketing the money as well! Names on the outside of envelopes (with either full subs or reduced, as required by the family) meant it was easy enough to collect and tally - we do the names outside envelopes and fees inside for camp fees on arrival anyway so parents were used to that.

My accounting woes are more trying to get the other leaders to let me know how much of the older €2/week collections they each have, and get an idea of our overall position. We have plenty but I don't know if I can reduce this terms' subs, if we have enough to plan a biggish outing in autumn once boating is over (entrance fees), keep camp fees lower, get some craft materials for rainy days, or just keep ticking over. Group will give us money if we need it, but as we collect subs, we really shouldn't.

RiaOverTheRainbow · 27/04/2017 19:39

Cornflour, water and glitter went down a treat tonight, and my fantabulous helpers did the clean up Grin

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