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Is an advanced keyboard necessary for Grade 4 keyboard lesson?

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littlelz · 28/02/2015 23:24

DD is moving up to Grade 4 keyboard lesson. we are suggested to purchase an advanced keyboard (Yamaha PSR S650 minimum or above - S750 or S950). I don't know the instrument at all, so quite confused if it is really necessary or not. could anyone give me some idea on what I should do? Thank you very much.

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Ionacat · 01/03/2015 16:47

What keyboard do you have currently?

Ferguson · 01/03/2015 19:54

I assume we are talking about ABRSM Grade 4? Or might it be Trinity College, as they do more Grades on Keyboard and Organ?

I can't really comment unless I know what keyboard she is presently playing.

I have looked on the ABRSM site, and can't find details of Keyboard Grades, only Medals, (which is probably a new innovation from when I knew about Grades).

The three Yamahas models you mention are:

S650 £516 Polyphony only 64

S750 £795 Polyphony 128

S960 £1391 Polyphony 128

The big limiting factor of the S650 is that it is only 64 note polyphonic; that is the number of keys, notes and voices that can sound at one time. The more expensive models double that to 128, which is a more acceptable value for big arrangements, effects, etc.

However, without knowing something about what the Grade involves, I can't guess whether her arranging/playing would be compromised by a Polyphony of only 64.

There are, of course, many other extra 'goodies' as you move up the price range, but it was the Polyphony that stood out.

There are also other makes besides Yamaha, and if I come across anything comparable I will try and come back.

littlelz · 02/03/2015 11:49

@Ferguson, thank you so much for so many details and explanation. DD is using YAMAHA YPT-220 keyboard, a very basic one. She is using 'Trinity Electronic Keyboard Grade 4, 2015-2018' for her exam (Trinity College London). Her teacher suggested her to change to the advanced keyboard. I have no idea on any musical instrument, the recommended models are so expensive (at least in my opinion for keyboard lessons), that's why I am stucked in making a appropriate decision. it will be highly appreciated if you could give me more advices on it so that I would know what I should do next. Thanks anyway.

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JulieMichelleRobinson · 02/03/2015 12:55

From the Trinity exam specifications for Electronic Keyboard

Instruments

Electronic Keyboard

?? Candidates are responsible for providing their own keyboard, music stand, keyboard stand, power adaptor and seat (if required).
?? A mains power supply will be available at centres but candidates should check with the representative to ensure it is within easy reach of the instrument.
?? Candidates are responsible for the electrical safety of any equipment used in their exam.
?? The steward will normally be responsible for assisting with the setting up and removal of the
instrument but the candidate should have a full working knowledge of the set up procedure.
??
Instruments must have at least the following specification:
–– Range: minimum 4 octaves (Initial–Grade 1); minimum 5 octaves (Grades 2–5)
–– Keyboard: full-size keys
–– Capability — from Grade 2: minimum 16-note polyphonic capacity; a range of individual
voices and rhythm styles; dual voice/layer.
—— from Grade 3: registration memory; touch sensitivity option.
—— from Grade 5: left split point.
—— from Grade 6: a minimum of 8 registrations which can be pre-programmed before the exam; touch sensitivity (compulsory); left voice; accompaniment split point; pedal function with different settings to include sustain, registration change, fill, rhythm start/stop; pitch bend function with moveable range; octave transpose for both right and left voices; chord settings to include fingered chords, fingered on bass and full keyboard chords.

?? All pieces and tests will be assessed on the musicality of the candidate’s performance and not on the capacity of the instrument itself. However, performances that fail to realise a large amount of the performance information on the printed score will not be able to attract high marks.

?? Candidates may therefore adapt the music making use of the resources available. Any changes must not substantially alter the character of the pieces (e.g. changing Clarinet/March, Electric Guitar/Ballad).

?? Up to and including Grade 2, candidates using keyboards without registration memory may find it necessary to alter the voice from that stipulated in the music to facilitate quick changes; for example,
by selecting voices with near or adjacent menu locations which give a noticeable voice change.

?? The ability to use dual voice and to program voice changes is important to build a musically interesting performance.
?? The use of volume control is important to add interest and shape and should follow the dynamics marked in the score. Volume may be varied manually, through foot pedals or through a touch sensitive keyboard setting as appropriate.

?? The use of Accompaniment B and, optionally, Accompaniments C and D at Grades 6–8, can also add a feeling of climax and direction.
?? Left and Accompaniment Split Point functions are required at Grades 6–8. Pieces which require these functions have split points suggested for 5 octave keyboards where middle C is C3.

?? Guides for use of Octave Transpose on 5 octave keyboards are printed on Grades 6–8 pieces which require this function.

About the exams
?? Further guidance on keyboard functions and a Glossaries of Terms for Initial-Grade 8 are provided
on our website.
??
Candidates may introduce further changes according to the capabilities of their instrument, as long as they add to the musical whole.
?? Auto intro/endings may only be used where indicated and integrated within the style and
instrumentation of the piece. They should not exceed four bars in length.
?? Pre-recorded material is not permitted in Electronic Keyboard exams, but registration memory facilities may be used.

JulieMichelleRobinson · 02/03/2015 12:58

@Ferguson,

ABRSM don't do Keyboard examinations other than the Medals, which are aimed at children who learn in groups, usually in a school setting (they are assessed individually by their own teacher and moderated by ABRSM via video, and the exam includes an ensemble performance).

Trinity offer both Keyboard and Rock-and-pop-keyboard which have slightly different requirements. They also offer Electronic Organ which is somewhat different.

LCM also offer keyboard exams.

Ferguson · 02/03/2015 18:30

Julie - yes, thanks for confirming what I was starting to suspect, re ABRSM.

It's good we have someone as knowledgeable as yourself to clarify things when we are in doubt.

There can be lot of confusion from parents who might not be particularly musical themselves, about how their children should learn any instrument, and what effort is required and what results can be expected. I always try to stress the 'pleasure and satisfaction' aspect, but a few parents seem to stress the Grades and one-up-manship of music.

And when 'electronics' comes into the equation, it is even more of a minefield.

Thanks for your help.

JulieMichelleRobinson · 02/03/2015 21:10

Ferguson,

I tend to give my students the option of exams or no exams, or occasional exams but not every grade. For the youngest, I award my own certificates. :)

Ionacat · 03/03/2015 19:03

A YPT220 isn't going to be good enough for grade 4 keyboard. It simply doesn't have the functions on it. However the next models up tend to be quite expensive. Before you invest, is your daughter going to carry on with keyboard style lessons? I only say this because I have quite a few pupils that swap to piano style playing at that standard as it gives them more flexibility and at that stage they find it relatively straightforward to learn to use the left hand rather than mainly playing chords. Some places will hire them, so might be worth investigating this instead of buying an instrument at least to see how she gets on with it.

littlelz · 03/03/2015 22:02

Thank you all so much for your kind and professional advice and suggestions.

DD would like to carry on keyboard style lessons at the moment. However, we don't know how long she would keep on the lessons. Honestly, I don't know if we are going to take the keyboard lessons serious or not, that maybe part of the reason that I can't make up my mind to invest the advanced instrument.

would anybody give me some ideas on keyboard players' prospect, are there any activities or communities DD could be involved in?

thanks a lot.

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Ionacat · 05/03/2015 16:47

Probably not, although it might be worth asking around to see if there are any groups that she could join. The problem with keyboard style playing is that it doesn't teach them to use the left hand properly and therefore they can't join in piano duets etc. and the reliance on auto styles means that it is difficult to play in a group.
I would hire one for this exam and then have a discussion with her teacher about how she might progress further.

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