GBNews poll stating 93% in favour of rejoing

[SerendipityJane]

And it's behind their paywall

These things are pointless. No parties are seriously considering rejoining. A Pro-Brexit crew finding about a GB News poll and causing the result to show ‘rejoining’ makes F all difference.

FWIW, I voted to stay but people in general chose to leave, so that’s it. People should really move on.

I voted to stay out in 1975. But I was in a small minority. Thank god. The Europhobes didn't move on however and here we are. Well I'm back in Ireland now but you take my meaning.

The UK will likely join EFTA and or the Single Market at least. Regardless of what the party leaders say now. Reality cannot be ignored indefinitely.

@MississippiAF

I agree. The polls from 2013 to 2016 indicated a remain result, but they were wrong.

Labour were pro remain after the 2017 general election as they thought it would force a general election they would win. The opposite happened. This likely explains why Labour are not campaigning to rejoin the EU in the run up to the next general election.

Labour were not pro Remain. They were divided. And tried to square the circle by offering a Referendum on any Agreement.

McDonnell was upfront about this being the main reason Labour lost badly in 19.
And of course Tories could argue Brexit hadn't happened in 2019 and the benefits would be seen later. Meanwhile 4 years later....

@Abhannmor Labour were not pro Remain. They were divided. And tried to square the circle by offering a Referendum on any Agreement

I suggest you watch the 5 September 2019 episode of Question Time broadcast 5 September 2019. Emily Thornberry of Labour was on the panel.

Labour position was to offer a referendum with two options:

Option 1 - Accept Theresa May's deal (remain)

This was not possible as it was rejected by MPs three times. As per UK Law, subsequent to the Miller case, any Agreement had to be approved by Parliament.

Also, May's deal was pay to remain as the terms of the deal enabled the EU to reject all border solutions proposed by the UK forever and the UK would remain in the EU forever. This may explain why MPs rejetced the deal three times.

Option 2 - Remain in the EU

So, Labour were offering Remain or Remain.

Also, in the same episode of QT, Emily Thornberry stated that if Labour won the next election, she as Foreign Secretary would negotiate a deal that was best for the UK and Jobs, but at the same time campaign to remain in the EU.

McDonnell was upfront about this being the main reason Labour lost badly in 19

Labour lost in 2019 as traditional labour voters who voted Leave in 2016 voted for Boris. Jo Swinson had her arse kicked too.

The lesson to be learnt is that the primary function of MPs is to preserve democracy, This is achieved by honouring the majority vote and losers must consent.

And of course Tories could argue Brexit hadn't happened in 2019 and the benefits would be seen later. Meanwhile 4 years later....

The UK left the EU at 11pm UK time on 31 January 2020, with a transition period to 31 December 2020. As per Article 50, discussions on deals could only begin on 1 January 2021.

By middle of March 2020, COVID had begun to grip the World and did not subside until early 2022. Meanwhile Russia invaded the Ukraine in February 2022 and despite some of the most severe sanctions ever imposed on any country as recently recorded on the BBC, the war has entered its third year.

Also, there is the ongoing conflcit in the Red Sea and between Israel and Palestine.

Despite set backs such as COVID and Wars, benefits since the 2016 referendum include:

Unemployment has reduced
Wages at the lower end of the scale have increased
NHS has received additional funding in real terms

"This likely explains why Labour are not campaigning to rejoin the EU in the run up to the next general election."

Then why do you keep repeatedly asking this question on the other Brexit threads?

I know the answer, you're just trying to obfuscate and derail, not partake in a genuine debate

"NHS has received additional funding in real terms"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only way it has increased is if you include all the billions of Covid fraud that the Tories have put onto the NHS budget

@HannibalHeyes The only way it has increased is if you include all the billions of Covid fraud that the Tories have put onto the NHS budget

The ONS figures exclude COVID measures. Links have been provided previously on other threads which prove that.

That you did not question the reduction in unemployment or increased wages is noted.

Of course there's been a reduction in unemployment, lots of people have left the country. There has, however, also been a rise in vacancies for key workers roles, because we don't have enough people willing or able to do those jobs. Which rather negates your "win".

The increase in wages for the lower paid is vastly outweighed by the massive rise in the cost of living, induced partly because of your beloved Brexit. So again, not really a "win".

@GlobeTrotter2000 what a bizarre statement. May’s deal wasn’t anything like remain. It was in fact Leave. For some reason leave voters still don’t understand what they voted for. It was that. Sorry if you didn’t like it, but maybe you should’ve thought it through a bit more?

Leave wasn’t actually possible on the terms the brexiteers offered it. We can’t actually sever ourselves from the continental shelf and drift off into the Atlantic. I know that’s a difficult concept for leavers.

@HannibalHeyes Of course there's been a reduction in unemployment, lots of people have left the country.

So, it was people who were already unemployed that have left the UK? If so, is that not good for the UK as they will no longer claim benefits?

there has, however, also been a rise in vacancies for key workers roles, because we don't have enough people willing or able to do those jobs.

As per the latest ONS figures, the number of vacancies has fallen for the 19th successive quarter.

The increase in wages for the lower paid is vastly outweighed by the massive rise in the cost of living

Increases in wages are now higher than inflation. This was recorded on BBC Question Time last night, 22 Feb 2024. Also, there is a link dated 14 Nov 2023.

Why are wages going up, and what does it mean for you? - Times Money Mentor (thetimes.co.uk)

induced partly because of your beloved Brexit

So, you have moved away from previous assertion that all UK issues are solely related to Brexit.

Brexit was voted in by Approx. 76% of UK lawmakers (498 MPs)

Ah, more of your lovely straw men.

Also, from the ONS;

• The share of gross domestic product (GDP) attributed to healthcare was around 11.3% in 2022, down from 12.4% in 2021.
• Government healthcare expenditure fell by 1.1% in nominal terms in 2022, or by 6.2% in real terms; this is likely to have been contributed to by the winding down of COVID-19-related activities, such as vaccinations and test and trace services.

It could be argued - and she would- that Liz Truss and Kwazi Karteng tried their best to bring this state of affairs into being ? But the Deep State / Gates&Soros /alien beings from a dying planet , all conspired to stop her. That and reality.

Liz Truss and reality are on increasingly distant terms...

It will be self selecting and not representative.

Therefore meaningless and pointless

The UK will likely join EFTA and or the Single Market at least.

If they'll have you.

Life has moved on and who would have guessed Ukraine would be happening.....

Lots happening in the world. UK made their bed, so to speak.

2024 now.

The point being that as it is KGB News it was supposed to be self selecting in favour of Brexshit.

That whooshing sound you're hearing is the point whistling past...

Tukmgru what a bizarre statement. May’s deal wasn’t anything like remain. It was in fact Leave.

It was not Leave which is why T. May attempted to block the Attorney General legal advise from being seen by MPs. Link isM

05December-EUExitAttorneyGeneralslegaladvicetoCabinetontheWithdrawalAgreementandtheProtocolonIreland-NorthernIreland.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Point 30 states that the UK could be locked in the Customs Union forever: So, the UK would continue to make payments to the EU, but on worse terms:

but maybe you should’ve thought it through a bit more?

Cameron was ultra confident the result would be remain as he was a remainer.

Leave wasn’t actually possible on the terms the brexiteers offered it. We can’t actually sever ourselves from the continental shelf and drift off into the Atlantic. I know that’s a difficult concept for leavers.

EU has 70 deals with countries outside the block. Canada and the US included. Both are on the other side of the Atlantic:

Hannibal

If you read the ONS in its entirety; it records that zhen emergency COVID measures are re,oved from the total expenditure, funds for regular NHS activities has increased above inflation:

Oh dear, the Globe shift has clocked in...

@SerendipityJane

the UK will rejoin the EEA within ten years on its economic hands and knees.
it will pay more than being in the whole thing
freedom of movement has to return as our birth rate is 1.6 and there are not enough workers.

its just a economic fact and anyone who doesn't see at least that is rather deluded sorry to say.

to those who say no one is mentioning it wait 4 years