Brexit mega thread part 8: Rules Britannia

[LouiseCollins28]

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I'm thinking I'll use this thread to ask some of the questions that people on this board seem unable to ask me for reasons I just don't get....

Q1 "Hey Louise, so if Britain were to reverse our 2016 decision and Rejoin, how do you think that might happen then?"

Okay, I'll bite.

We could have another ill fated and badly thought out referendum. Deciding on what the question should be would be problematic though. I think rejoining in full is unrealistic, mainly because 1) the UK would not be allowed the concessions it previously had and 2) the EU would not trust the UK to pull another Brexit stunt further down the line. And I wouldn't blame them, the UK has shown itself to be a bad faith partner.

So another option would be for a new and preferably non Tory government to decide to rejoin the single market and customs union. Which was always an option after the Brexit vote - let's face it, it would have saved the UK a hell of a lot of misery and money. But of course option 2) as above might still apply.

IMO any kind of rejoining is a pipe dream until the UK has eaten a couple of decades' worth of humble pie. Until that time, things are going to get worse, especially under the Tories.

See 🙂that's interesting. A new and non Tory government would seem to be a prereqisite I agree. More interesting though is what happens if any government goes back to the people and recommends "Rejoin" IMO. I imagine the people in power who'd avocate for that are arrogant enough to beleive that what they recommend should just be accepted (like David Cameron was) but what if the people don't buy it? What should people who favoured leave push for if our goverment want's to Rejoin?

What leave voters should push for depends on how much they understand about economic reality. And they won't understand until they 1) start feeling the cost of Brexit in their own pockets/see other countries growing at a better rate than the UK. Brexit is still a matter of faith rather than reality. I also feel that accepting Brexit is economically not a good idea depends on abandoning the victim mindset, i.e. the 'The EU is being mean to us/punishing us'. That much acceptance of the real world is a long way off for many.

However, demographics are in favour of an eventual rejoin. It all depends on the method any government chooses and what form of rejoin they opt for. We all know that a slender 52/48 majority in a referendum is overwhelming, and in 10 years or so Rejoin should do considerably better than that. But it will take time. A key strand of strategy would be putting forward the very clear benefits to business of a rejoin - especially the small and medium businesses that have struggled or gone under since Brexit has really started to bite. I also suspect that once slacker environmental standards start to bite, this will motivate people. The demise of food production and the increased need for imported food is also going to have an impact.

What makes you think I don't understand or accept the real world? There are several other options you appear to have dismissed

a) I might not be feeling the pain or b) I might be feeling the pain but it isn't bad enough yet to change my mind or c) I might be feeling the pain but it really just doesn't matter to me how tough it gets. I'll let people on here make up their minds which my view is, coz that's always fun 😊

Demographics are currently in favour of rejoin it would seeem. You are correct there.

You do appear to be suggesting that rejoiners get everything they want though via rejoin. What about the other side? I mean, after all you've been pleading for special consideration after your 2016 loss for almost 6 years now. If you get what you want at rejoin, what about people who don't share that view of their future?

I will bite but only to say that I will be posting on the other thread. Rules Britannia is too much like Britannia rules the waves and harking back to the glory days of Empire.

I don't make any secret of my age. I was born in the early 1950s. At primary school we had some teachers coming up to retirement, who were hung up on the glories of Empire. Yet by the time I was in Junior school/early secondary school and more aware of the outside world and news, I would hear about countries gaining their Independence and think to myself, that this doesn't add up. They don't seem to think that the Empire was glorious. It has now well and truly gone and it won't come back.

If you get what you want at rejoin, what about people who don't share that view of their future?

I took two seconds to break my rule of not posing here.

You have got your brexit. What about those of us who didn't want it? Did you spare a thought for us? No, we had Project Fear and Remoaners thrown at us. Farage agitated for Brexit for about20/30 years. Why should we shut up when he didn't, especially when we think that Brexit is helping to destroy our country? He's mighty quiet now I notice.

Peregrina just said it for me. We were told to suck it up because democracy. If there is a democratic vote for Rejoin, then the same applies to you. Leavers are a shrinking minority at present. You had zero consideration for those who didn't want what you wanted, so why should I care when the shoe ends up on the other foot?

As for those who don't care how Brexit gets as long as they have their 'sovereignty' - I care about people whohave lost their livelihoods because of Brexit. People who still love Brexit because it feeds their feelings of lost Empire are a cult, and I'm an atheist.

You might remember that I did. It might well serve your purposes to "remember" differently now but that doesn't mean I didn't do it back then. I've not suggested to anyone they should shut up. I am allowed to criticise what people say without that being taken as some attempt to silence people.

I encourage you to talk, say what you want, just be aware that I'm allowed to say what I want too, and I'm allowed to want what I want.

Ask me anything you like. Just please don't confuse an answer you don't like with no answer at all.

It doesn't matter what you said back then. You're happy with this Brexit. That means you are part of the cult.

I'm part of the cult? Oooh I quite like the idea of that tbh, do we have t-shirts? or maybe badges? 🤗How do you tell someone is a member when they are out and about? Is there like a special handshake or something "AYAC?...ACIA" something like that 😁😁

It would be so nice to have an easily visible identifying marker for persistent Brexiters! It would save me so much wasted time talking to people who don't live in the real world.

How about this?? I'd say this is ideal.

@LouiseCollins28 Pie in the sky to think any new Govt would a: think rejoining is a good idea, b Accepted by the EU c accepted by millions of brexitiers.

Far better to re integrate in trade, science & foreign policies.... as one minister is supposed to have said recently "anyone who thinks a trade war with the EU, with the USA backing the EU, is mad... and is sitting around the table with Boris Johnson"

imho neither side has or will get what they want.... its just the biggest disaster in internationals this country has every done...all because BJ wanted power.

Not even sure what most of this means, its so badly written, but OK.
I hope 'rejoin' is pie in the sky, I fear not but I hope so.