Do we have any details of the deal yet?

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Is it any good? Or is it awful? How will we be affected?
If the details aren't out yet then when can we expect to be told the main points?
I feel so distant from brexit now after all the covid news and have no idea what's happening except there's been some kind of deal made.

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

Thanks LQ I'll have a read now.

My brain won't take it all in. I need the KISS guide

Last link here - two columns
ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

There's loads of commentary and detail out there. I suggest you seek out comment from a wide range of sources, not just the European Commission.

Here is the other side of the coin
www.gov.uk/government/publications/agreements-reached-between-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-european-union/summary-explainer

The facts remain as they are in the EU's 2 column list

The LARGEST source of tax income to the UK Government is covered in Paragraph 59

59. The declaration reaffirms the integrity of our respective, autonomous equivalence frameworks. The Parties will discuss how we move forward on specific equivalence determinations. The Parties will codify the framework for regulatory cooperation in a Memorandum of Understanding.

Can kicked down road

Well it doesn't look too great to me. We've lost a lot of benefits there. I'm
Sure I saw something though that said Erasmus was protected.
Have we gained anything that compensates for the losses?

Have we gained anything that compensates for the losses

Blue passports, made in France.

Erasmus is toast

and no, I cannot find any upsides

other than a possible proactive agricultural policy
but as it would penalise the grain barons it won't happen

I don't think we need comments, Louise - we need facts.

We have seen quite a few comments from Johnson and friends over the last couple of days, we can do this, we might do that, which amounts to pigs might fly.

Yes, I'm only interested in facts, not commentary.
Will prices go up?
Will getting medicines be affected?
Will food availability be affected?

Or do we not know yet perhaps?

I've just re-read and "no automatic recognition of professional qualifications for ... nurses...." Our local hospital has a high number of Spanish nurses that come over yearly. All the ones I worked with there and who cared for me when ill were excellent and trained to a far higher standard than our nurses. Extended skills to us were basic ones to them. The NHS as a whole is in desperate need of more nurses. What happens now that recruiting from the EU will not be as easy? Obviously there's not just nurses to consider in that but as a nurse in my former life as it were, I am
Conscious of the difficulties this will bring.

Yes, Johnson made rather a song and dance about being cared for by Luis from Portugal and Joanna from New Zealand when he stupidly exposed himself to and then caught Covid.

I would like to see him go back to Luis and say sorry chum, you helped save my life, but I don't recognise your qualifications so toddle off home now.

Erasmus is dead in the water for UK students (though all UK unis have been told they have an extension for 1 year for 2021-22, so they are hoping to send lots of students, including those who couldn't go this year due to Covid, over and above the agreed numbers. My EU university is going to refuse to take the extra ones, because in return our students going to the UK have simply been handed a huge bill for visas and healthcare, while they'll lose Erasmus funding as the 1-year extension is a unilateral UK decision).

It has been announced that the replacement Turing scheme has definite funding for one year, with universities having to bid for it (I think we can assume that won't only benefit the most needy, whatever BJ says - this is the man who claimed Erasmus was safe in his hands). It also appears not to have crossed the minds of anyone responsible for this that Erasmus is reciprocal and Turing will only be reciprocal if other countries are prepared to shell out funding to send students to the UK (which they may well do, but some may not be able to afford it and certainly fewer will than are partners in Erasmus - EU countries who already pay into Erasmus won't necessarily agree to pay on top of that for a parallel scheme set up by the country that has left existing exchanges). Income generated in the UK by Erasmus will be lost, not to mention opportunities for school pupils, apprentices, academics and teachers, as well as open-mindedness and general goodwill between neighbouring countries.

Isn't the Document 500 pages? I haven't done a thorough search just a quick look to see 'europa's' interpretations - it being xmas and all.

I would imagine it needs translating into all the EU Languages before it can be released - it would be rather unfair on those that have ESL or FSL, etc if it was only provided in in just a few major languages for public release.

Hate
I have linked to the deal up thread
both on the EU and UK sites
its the same on the EU approved in 2017 with the nice bits taken out

If you think that translation precludes publication
you REALLY do not understand how legislative systems work
either in the UK or EU

It's bloody awful for us. Freelancer DH did over 120 days of work in the Schengen area last year.

His sector has been absolutely hammered by covid and now this.

Service sector in general thrown under a large bus with some lies about money for the NHS on the side of it

Erasmus is dead in the water for UK students

Not quite. Erasamus is dead for all students in Britain. The Irish government will fund those from NI regardless of whether they are Irish or British.

My mistake, you're right. NI students will still be able to take part in Erasmus.

If Boris Johnson's Government wanted to encourage Irish reunification, they are going about it the right way.

If Boris Johnson's Government wanted to encourage Irish reunification, they are going about it the right way.
Yep; they're certainly doing a remarkable job of contradicting the "Unionist" bit of the party's name.

Apparently the fishermen are screwed worse off than if we had stayed in so macron got his own way with that one but Scotland is voting against the deal so...

@Peregrina - If Boris Johnson's Government wanted to encourage Irish reunification, they are going about it the right way.

Margaret Thatcher was the best recruitment officer the IRA ever had so there's precedence.