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Westministenders: Festive Edition

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2020 21:00

Good King BBBBaBoris looked out,
on the Port of Dover,
There the shit lay round about,
Deep around the stopover;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Delivering stuff for Yule.

“Bugger SAGE and stand by me,
We've all stuff that needs selling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Sire, he lives a good league hence,
The other side the EU;
Though relations maybe tense,
He's trying to get goods through.”

“Oh god I need another wine,
I have many crisis to consider:
We must tell them its all fine,
I must not be seen to dither.”
SAGE and monarch, forth they went,
forth they went together;
Through the nation's sad lament
and really crappy weather.

“Sire, our plight is darker now,
And the covid transmission stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how;
To keep Tier 2 much longer.”
“Soon we can drop their wage.
And treat them all more coldly
In Britain's new chrony age
A time to rob more boldly.”

In their master’s steps they trod,
On the quest to get minted;
Each and every last sod
Needs to be fingerprinted.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
DWP claimants are processing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
God its all so depressing.

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mrslaughan · 24/12/2020 10:05

Fucking fishing....

TonMoulin · 24/12/2020 10:12

Who is sribd?

And how do they know
1- what was the uk and eu expectations
2- what is in the deal??

OchonAgusOchonO · 24/12/2020 10:20

www.rte.ie/news/2020/1223/1186239-brexit/

A French government source said UK negotiators had made "huge concessions" on fisheries

Quelle susprise.....

SabrinaThwaite · 24/12/2020 10:22

Scribd is an ebook site - not sure why the Government Analysis of The Deal is posted on there but its linked to by EuroGuido and has been picked up on by Twitter trade people like Sam Lowe.

DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 10:30

The ERG will object but who cares?

As I have said (to the point of boredom ...) if they vote for it, they give up whinging rights.

FOREVER.

They wanted Brexit. This is Brexit.

If they don't vote for it (and I still don't think Labour should) and it doesn't pass. Boo fucking hoo Boris. At least Brexit will finally be exposed for what it is. A posh boys jape at the expense of 99% of the country.

I read a quote recently noting that it was curious how money flowed up, but austerity down.

willsantausesantatize · 24/12/2020 10:37

@OchonAgusOchonO

www.rte.ie/news/2020/1223/1186239-brexit/

A French government source said UK negotiators had made "huge concessions" on fisheries

Quelle susprise.....

They will be arguing about fish for the next 50 years at this rate. Nothing will appease anyone where that is concerned.
veeeeh · 24/12/2020 10:40

What was this Brexit Trauma all about over the last for years and beyond that obv?

bornatXmastobequiet · 24/12/2020 10:43

Fucking fishing. Honestly, they might as well put everything on the line for the bobbin lace industry. Or the remaining coalfields, at least (are there any?).

DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 10:46

Following Gibraltars news, what's the Irish stance in Schengen ?

Obviously the UK was never going to join (I can see Scotland doing so when independent). But are the Irish opposed to it, or did they not join because the UK didn't ?

Of course, if you were going to begin the political process of recovering Gibraltar, then joining Schengen would be the first step ....

KonTikki · 24/12/2020 10:49

Fishing, as in sitting next to a muddy pond in pouring rain, is the largest parcipitatory sport in the UK.
Perhaps that's what bafoon Borris and foul Farrage thought they were supposed to protect.
As opposed to 6000 boats and 12000 employees.

Peregrina · 24/12/2020 10:53

It doesn't sound like a crowd pleaser for Nige and the ERG.

Bonus! Remind me what Nigel does these days. He's the man who backed the losing American presidential candidate I recall, what else?

DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 11:44

@Peregrina

It doesn't sound like a crowd pleaser for Nige and the ERG.

Bonus! Remind me what Nigel does these days. He's the man who backed the losing American presidential candidate I recall, what else?

Where to begin ?

He's also punting a non-FCA approved investment business Fraud and Fake (but enough about me) (I may have remembered wrong) which has attracted some interest from the supine powers that be.

You can tell it's full o'shite as it's pushing BitCoin.

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RedToothBrush · 24/12/2020 11:58

The Brexit Pundits seem to be suggesting they think the deal isn't a whole lot of different to the one the EU offered some time ago. Albeit with some small changes.

Will see whether that is true in time.

But yes, we await the usual reply about how it isn't good enough.

Harry Cole was certainly saying that Hard Brexit rhetoric had shifted:

Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
I see "hard brexit" is being redefined again tonight.. once it was leaving without any WA /or a trade deal. Now its back to leaving the SM and CU? Goalposts.. whooosh.

Guido Fawkes has tweeted:

Euro Guido @EuroGuido
EXCLUSIVE: Government’s Own Deal Analysis Scorecard Reckons UK Won 43% of Negotiating Issues, 40% Were Compromises, 17% EU Wins

This is a slight over egging it if you consider the original offer was essentially written by the EU in the first place...

But yes interesting to see how this is being spun right now.

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RedToothBrush · 24/12/2020 12:00

@Peregrina

It doesn't sound like a crowd pleaser for Nige and the ERG.

Bonus! Remind me what Nigel does these days. He's the man who backed the losing American presidential candidate I recall, what else?

American TeleEvanglelist ConMan in Trumpism.

He's found his new niche / cashcow.

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DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 12:12

The mischievous in me wants to start a drive to get Brexiteers writing to their ERG MPs to insist they vote against the deal. Since they've stopped posting here.

As long as there are enough crayons to go around.

Of course the future for Boris is grim whatever happens, I suspect. Imagine the next 4 years being dominated by ERG bellyaching about how they've been betrayed ...

DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 12:16

Excellent, as usual

davidallengreen.com/2020/12/scenes-from-brexit-past-so-as-to-keep-the-impending-deal-triumph-in-perspective/

Scenes from Brexit past – so as to keep the impending Deal ‘triumph’ in perspective

Christmas Eve, 2020

Today political and media supporters are hailing as a triumph a Brexit agreement few of whom have read and many will probably one day disown.

It is now a familiar ritual.

And as Christmas Eve is a time for ghost stories, here are some scenes from Brexit past.

First let us go before even the referendum.

It is late 2015, and the then prime minister David Cameron and a team of negotiators are seeking a ‘deal’ – a supposed re-negotiation that would be the basis for victory in a referendum expected to take place in 2016.

But the re-negotiation was a failure – though that too hailed by some at the time – and was hardly mentioned in the referendum campaign.

And – as this blog has set out previously – the wrong lessons were drawn from that deal by Brexiters, who believed demanding more things loudly was a deft negotiation technique with the European Union.

We now go to the days after the referendum result, in the summer of 2016.

The governing Conservative party were in the midst of a leadership election – and the winning candidate asserted that ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

The European Union were, around the same time, putting in place negotiation priorities and strategies that would mean that they were ready to start negotiating by the end of that year.

The United Kingdom, in contrast, had no plans or even articulated idea of what it wanted out of Brexit when that new prime minister made the departure notification in March 2017.

We now move on to the middle of the following year, where Brexit secretary David Davis promised ‘the row of the summer’ over the sequencing of the Brexit negotiations.

The ‘row’ lasted only days, as a far better prepared European Union got its way completely on sequencing.

And now we go to December 2017 where the European Union accepts that there has been ‘sufficient progress’ in the talks and enters into a ‘joint declaration’ with the United Kingdom.

This joint declaration contains delicate but significant wording on the issue of the border in Ireland – wording which many political and media supporters of the government do not appreciate at the time or do not take seriously.

That joint declaration is hailed by those supporters anyway.

Brexit is getting done.

We finally move on to December last year, where the Conservative party win a general election on the basis of an ‘oven ready’ withdrawal deal negotiated by the current prime minister.

That deal was, of course, hailed by political and media supporters of the government.

But months later, the United Kingdom government resorts to proposing legislation that would empower ministers to break that same ‘oven ready’ deal.

That legislation was hailed by political and media supporters of the government.

There are many more such scenes from Brexit – you may now be thinking of others.

Some of these ghostly memories may be forgotten by the cheerleaders of the government.

But they have certainly not been forgotten by the European Union.

That is why the deal is likely to have strict provisions on governance, as the United Kingdom has consistently spooked the European Union in the conduct of these negotiations.

So when the deal is finally unwrapped its contents may horrify the political and media supporters of the government who are currently hailing it more than any ghost story.

And that may be a scene of Brexit yet to come.

DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 12:24

#BrexitDeal

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DGRossetti · 24/12/2020 12:33

and ..

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Peregrina · 24/12/2020 12:41

Now why did that picture of Nigel Farage immediately make me think "Would you buy a used car from this man?"

OchonAgusOchonO · 24/12/2020 12:42

@DGRossetti - Following Gibraltars news, what's the Irish stance in Schengen ?

The main reason we didn't sign up was because we actually care about the GFA so we weren't signing up if the UK didn't as it would have caused issues with the border.

I haven't seen anything on it lately but I assume we will sign up eventually.

OchonAgusOchonO · 24/12/2020 12:45

EXCLUSIVE: Government’s Own Deal Analysis Scorecard Reckons UK Won 43% of Negotiating Issues, 40% Were Compromises, 17% EU Wins

This is such childish nonsense. I really admire the maturity of the EU side in not reacting to this nonsense that has been coming from the UK government all along.

DrBlackbird · 24/12/2020 12:53

@OchonAgusOchonO

EXCLUSIVE: Government’s Own Deal Analysis Scorecard Reckons UK Won 43% of Negotiating Issues, 40% Were Compromises, 17% EU Wins

This is such childish nonsense. I really admire the maturity of the EU side in not reacting to this nonsense that has been coming from the UK government all along.

This attitude fits in perfectly with the whole schoolyard / school boy ethos we've seen from Johnson and his entourage. Plus, they will have to talk up how much they 'won' from the nasty EU to sell it to BeLeavers as the deal of the century. The EU were always the adults in the room and now they have quietly gotten what they need.

I am still so sad that my DD and her generation have been deprived of the right to go work and live in any 27 other countries. For what?

And seems that the French have helped out the stuck lorry drivers by sending over 10,000 covid tests. Bets on when the first churlish thread with headline 'About bloody time the French helped' appears?

TonMoulin · 24/12/2020 12:56

As if the whole point of the negotiations were to ‘win’...
What are they? 12?

A good negociation should beneficial to the uk. Is it? Is it better than what it had?

I agree with that summary DG. Let them have their time congratulating themselves. I’d rather have that than a whole country resentful for the agreement that would poison relationship with the eu for the foreseeable future

quiteathome · 24/12/2020 12:57

I do love Larry the Cat

titchy · 24/12/2020 13:02

Bets on when the first churlish thread with headline 'About bloody time the French helped' appears?

There's already a thread in MN...