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What do I need to know before 1/1/21 - Irish citizen living in England

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LadyWaiting · 30/11/2020 19:07

I've come across some stuff today on Facebook, from random sources, but I'm a bit confused about what will be changing and what won't be changing. Does anyone have a concise list of what will be changing immediately?

This suggests delays, but do you think that will be a short term thing?

www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-transport-companies-fear-chaos-through-britain-on-january-1st-1.4416826?fbclid=IwAR2DhFeEvb5wgUSe7cX9TGC7rNohLjArmZncUSZpex1iQ9Z56lUj0Rh-KWQ

This one suggests I'll need an International Driving Permit to drive in Ireland?

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/travel-and-transport-eu-exit-information?fbclid=IwAR2pX5cyrQvvR0Q29Ij4U-Oyu96FMGqou4EiRmP6zCy4sP4WaZnqNNlD7qo

I'm wondering what is going to affect me short term and what is going to affect me for travel. I've an EU passport, but a UK driving license.

I've heard naff all about Brexit in months! I had almost forgotten it's going full steam ahead! Shock

Is there a catch-all website/article that could prep me for a month's time? Thanks

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ListeningQuietly · 30/11/2020 19:21

Google is your friend
www.dfa.ie/brexit/getting-ireland-brexit-ready/brexit-and-you/

Trust Irish sources over British ones Sad

LadyWaiting · 01/12/2020 07:35

Thanks for that @ListeningQuietly. So nothing changes between UK and Ireland. I wonder however, given that I'm a British resident (but Irish passport holder), will anything change for me travelling in the rest of the EU?
Also, is there anything obvious that I'm taking for granted now that I will need to change as a British resident? Say I wanted to work in France for a year - will France treat me as an EU citizen or a British one? Thank you.

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Runssometimes · 01/12/2020 07:45

Also in the same position OP. As an Irish citizen you will still be able to live and work in the EU. The only thing I am not entirely sure about is Irish citizens/British residents and the EHIC card for the rest of Europe.

The CTA is still in place between Ireland and Britain.

Chersfrozenface · 01/12/2020 08:11

It appears from the NHS web page on the EHIC card that Irish citizens resident in Britain will not be able to get one after 31 December 2020.

www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/apply-for-a-free-ehic-european-health-insurance-card/

The relevant paragraphs:
"Entitlement to an EHIC is not based on your nationality. It's based on insurability under EU law. This applies to all EU countries, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland.

The UK operates a residency-based healthcare system (in the form of the NHS), which means access is generally determined by residency and not by the past or present payment of National Insurance contributions or UK taxes.

If you're resident in the UK and not insured by another EU country, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, you're likely to be considered to be insured by the UK under EU law and will be entitled to a UK-issued EHIC."

As from 1 January 2021 I imagine that last phrase will change to "..and will not be entitled to a UK-issued EHIC."

LadyWaiting · 01/12/2020 08:16

That's a good point @Runssometimes. I've just looked at my EHIC card and it has the EU stars with UK written in the middle and my Personal identification number is UK12586454. I wonder whether there's a way we can get one issued from Ireland? Blush Otherwise we'll have to get travel insurance I suppose.
There's another thing I'd like to know (which isn't Brexit related) but it's been so long since I've driven either here or abroad that I'm having a complete mind blank. I've a full driving license but I'm not insured on any car as don't have a car. If I wanted to rent a car abroad, how does that work? Can you take out temporary insurance?

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LadyWaiting · 01/12/2020 08:19

Oh crap Chersfrozenface. Crossed posts with you. Well there goes that bright idea then! I suppose that for minor ailments not much heed would be passed on you in Spain or France for e.g. with an Irish passport, but for something serious and expensive, could we potentially be screwed/not treated/left with an enormous bill??? Shock

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LadyWaiting · 01/12/2020 08:21

And another worst case scenario jobbie here. If I was abroad and needed embassy involvement - should I be going to the UK embassy or the Irish embassy?

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Runssometimes · 01/12/2020 08:34

Thanks @Chersfrozenface I have got comprehensive travel insurance anyway as I suspected this would be the case.

@LadyWaiting I think insurance is your best option, if you don’t have underlying health issues it won’t be too expensive,

Chersfrozenface · 01/12/2020 08:44

@LadyWaiting help from embassies or consulates is based on citizenship, so I think your best bet would be the embassy / consulate of Ireland. The Department of Foreign Affairs has a list here www.dfa.ie/embassies/irish-embassies-abroad/

Runssometimes · 01/12/2020 08:51

@LadyWaiting I think the CTA allows for help from UK embassies for Irish citizens and I’m sure they’d help you as a UK resident. I’ve had to access UK embassy help before and they were brilliant.

TheTeenageYears · 01/12/2020 09:35

Citizenship (passport) and residency (where you live) are two different things. For travel purposes your citizenship is the default. You will still use the EU channels at passport control when you travel in the EU (unlike anyone with a U.K. passport). Any insurance you take out in the U.K. is likely to be limited to U.K. residents only which is fine for you. If you have any policies in Ireland you might need to check them. If it's anything like the U.K. they may be limited to Irish residents or EU residents and may therefore not be valid for someone living in the now non EU U.K.

Any travel requirements like visa's to enter a country are all based on your Citizenship rather than residency and any Embassy help should you require it would be from the Irish Embassy.

sashagabadon · 01/12/2020 09:40

My dad has always told me that Irish citizens can use U.K. embassies if in need.Not all countries have an Irish embassy but nearly all countries have a U.K. one(exceptions apply)
Obviously if there is an Irish embassy then use that one.

sashagabadon · 01/12/2020 09:42

And the common travel area and rights of Irish citizens to live in the U.K. and vice versa predate any EU rules as a much longer established relationship so you can still live and work in U.K. on your Irish passport.

LadyWaiting · 01/12/2020 16:52

Well I won't be travelling for a while due to covid, so I suppose there will be more information out there when they finally finalise things.

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