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Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2020 18:36

As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

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Zixxy · 16/11/2020 20:45

@OchonAgusOchonO

Any agreement will be contingent on the UK abandoning the dodgy bits go the IMB.
They can renege on that though can't they? As usual.

Can't be trusted at all. Slithery slimy idiots. I am in a mood now sorry so I hope they get their just rewards. Pity about the UK populace though. And places like ROI.

OchonAgusOchonO · 16/11/2020 20:50

They can renege on that though can't they? As usual.

I assume the agreement will be worded in such a way that if they do renege, the whole deal is void.

TheMShip · 16/11/2020 20:51

They can renege on that though can't they? As usual.

I would expect the EU are on the ball and there will be significant and immediately enforceable penalties for that sort of thing are written into the treaty. They don't trust the UK to act in good faith and with good reason.

Zixxy · 16/11/2020 20:58

Let us hope that any shenanigans will be sanctioned. But really, what can EU do after the fact. Unravelling a deal/agreement will be difficult.

Sorry I am in a bad mood tonight, so apologies for that.

OchonAgusOchonO · 16/11/2020 21:00

@Zixxy

Let us hope that any shenanigans will be sanctioned. But really, what can EU do after the fact. Unravelling a deal/agreement will be difficult.

Sorry I am in a bad mood tonight, so apologies for that.

The general consensus in the EU is that you can't trust Johnson's government as far a you could throw them. It will be built in to the agreement.
Zixxy · 16/11/2020 21:05

Only hope left now is that Johnson will bail out pre Christmas, and someone with some intelligence will take over pre 1 January.

Yes I know..... I am delusional, and it is not possible due to the RULES. Such a sad state of affairs, and for what really at the end of the day. Qui Bono? That is the question.

Arborea · 16/11/2020 21:06

When do we reckon Britain will be ready to listen to experts again? twitter.com/PoliticsShmoli1/status/1327946312956915712

OchonAgusOchonO · 16/11/2020 21:10

Interesting article on fishing www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/brexit-time-to-debunk-myth-of-bad-deal-for-british-fishermen-1.4410829

As Britain continues to promote a self-serving narrative around reclaiming its waters and doubling its fish catch after it has fully pulled up the Brexit drawbridge, it’s an opportune time to reflect on the significant gains which the UK has savoured while part of the European Union and its Common Fishery Policy.

It has suited the rhetoric of Boris Johnson – and others before him such as Nigel Farage – to emphasise how much better Britain can do alone and how, when it comes to fisheries, leaving the EU will be bonanza for UK fishermen.

The reality is the UK are in for one almighty wake-up call.

As a result of favourable fisheries deals negotiated by the EU with non-EU states since Britain joined the then EEC in 1973, the UK has netted more than €1 billion worth of additional fish above and beyond what they would have ordinarily been entitled to in the last 10 years alone.

It stands to reason that when you leave a club, you relinquish the benefits which that membership afforded. Therefore Britain cannot expect to retain benefits it enjoyed while an EU member in any future trade agreement.

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TheABC · 16/11/2020 21:12

It looks more and more like we are crashing out by default.

I am not surprised but I am interested in seeing how Johnson will justify setting the "oven-ready deal" on fire. In front of Stammer.

DGRossetti · 16/11/2020 21:15

@TheABC

It looks more and more like we are crashing out by default.

I am not surprised but I am interested in seeing how Johnson will justify setting the "oven-ready deal" on fire. In front of Stammer.

How can he, if he's "self isolating" ?

I bet the first day of his post isolation he gets another message saying he has to "self isolate" again.

Peregrina · 16/11/2020 21:20

However, they will blame the EU for not giving them what they want, and Leaver apologists will come onto the threads to ram this message home.

DGRossetti · 16/11/2020 21:23

@Peregrina

However, they will blame the EU for not giving them what they want, and Leaver apologists will come onto the threads to ram this message home.
Leavers have been very quiet of late. Except Farage. And (pleasingly) he's certainly not gloating ...
TheABC · 16/11/2020 21:26

@DGRossetti, I was under the impression that he is doing virtual PMQs.

Oh, well. Will get back to stockpiling gin.

Zixxy · 16/11/2020 21:27

They know now. They really do.

Biggest indication for me was Garage setting up an anti lockdown party. WTAF?

TatianaBis · 16/11/2020 22:06

Offs.

Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings
TatianaBis · 16/11/2020 22:07

“Serious doubts over Covid safety in government”.

No social distancing, no masks etc...

titchy · 16/11/2020 22:15

Wonder if Dom's been making prank calls?

HesterThrale · 16/11/2020 22:39

Depressing thread about all the sectors for which Brexit does not work.
And... the sector for which it does work. (TL:DR - tax evasion)

mobile.twitter.com/rjbarfield1/status/1328275663686676480

DrBlackbird · 16/11/2020 23:30

Such a bitter pill to swallow. That these utter incompetents are running the country into an economic mess. Voluntarily. Willfully. But will walk away to their 2nd or 3rd homes in France continuing to lead exactly the same lives they did before. Leaving the rest of us to crash out. Because their entitled narcissistic egos won't allow them to admit they've created this impending ridiculous chaos. Just us minions left to suffer.

Peregrina · 17/11/2020 08:52

It might not be quite so easy to stay in their 2nd homes in France. Wasn't NIgel Lawson denied residence? So he said that he was planning to come back anyway. (In which case, why apply for residence?)

KonTikki · 17/11/2020 09:02

My son has just received his Residents card for Spain, but it took 8 years of living there, and paying taxes there.

prettybird · 17/11/2020 09:15

BJ's comments about "devolution [being] a disaster north of the border" and "Blair's biggest mistake" illustrate his contempt for democracy: those pesky Scots continuing to vote for a party with whom he fundamentally disagrees. Pesky democracy. Confused

Even his attempts to "explain" his comments just confirm his disdain for democratic choices Hmm

He's doing a brilliant job for the SNP at a time that they can't go out and do their normal door-to-door canvassing Grin

pussycatinboots · 17/11/2020 09:49

prettybird do you think there's any way Scotland would want an embassy in Cheshire? Grin

Peregrina · 17/11/2020 09:52

I read the article where he talked about devolution being a disaster - he was speaking to the group of new northern Tory MPs. It seems the only way he can operate is by trying to set one group of people against another, which is what he is trying to do here. Instead northern MPs are much more likely to have many things in common with Scottish ones - remoteness from Westminster being one.

Shrillharridan · 17/11/2020 11:10

Fishy!

www.fao.org/3/a-a0431e.pdf
It is a technical paper written by Norwegians (in English) so impartial.

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