Facing the future

[TomMRiddle]

What do you want to see happen?

What do you think is likely?

Me?

I think that a bare bones deal will be agreed and Boris will claim victory over the EU. Then anything that goes wrong will be the EU punishing us for leaving. The impact of the vote will never be admitted.

What would I like to see happen?

I'd like to see the UK and EU have a comprehensive trade deal, but without the 4 freedoms so Brexit can have been said to have happened.

Which is code for "you know fuck all"

My family are Irish living in the UK. They know all about bigotry over the decades. The far right is far more prevalent in the mainstream than it has been previously. Take alook at current discourse in the US to see where a country can end up. It doesn't happen overnight.

Try to process and consider information.

@bellinisurge

"Johnsons Tories are far to the right of even Thatcher, " No idea whether you are old enough to have lived through Thatcher. I did. She was every bit as right wing as these twats. She was better at it.

I experienced working life under Thatcher and i despised her.

No, she wasn't, she helped form the SM and as said was not a brexitier, sure as she declined she became more sceptical but look at the ministers who served under her who came out as remainers?

Look at the so called far right parties in Europe? i ve read their manifesto's, the tory ones of 2017 and 2019 were more to the right and of course, its the UK that has left the worlds largest trading bloc and has a CV death rate on par with Brazil & USA both led by rightwing populists as we are.

UK has always been right wing/racist, its just that in previous decades our leaders disowned it, now they embrace it.

Have an Irish mum. If you don't remember it because you were too young, fair enough. But don't think this shower are any more right wing than Thatcher. Or that right wing extremists weren't aplenty back then.

The far right is far more prevalent in the mainstream than it has been previously. Take alook at current discourse in the US to see where a country can end up. It doesn't happen overnight.
The US and the UK have very different histories with Racism.
They have rather different histories with black immigration.
They have rather different histories with Irish emigration and immigration.

What we are seeing now is a return to 1970's and early 80's intolerance
spread at high speed around the world by the internet

its a shame because around 2006 to 2012
I really thought the West had grown up
but actually it wasjust about to turn into a stroppy teen

Thatcher was pro EC on her terms.
That's it.

Or that right wing extremists weren't aplenty back then.

I didn't say they weren't. I suggested they are more organised and have greater visibility (across the europe/US) than they have been previously. A greater platform gives them perceived legitimacy.

If you were too young, you didn't see them.

@bellinisurge

Have an Irish mum. If you don't remember it because you were too young, fair enough. But don't think this shower are any more right wing than Thatcher. Or that right wing extremists weren't aplenty back then.

It wasn't legitimised back then, our leaders disowned it, Trump supports the far right, he admires Johnson, Johnson has written some pretty appalling Telegraph leaders, these articles previously would have made him unelectable as an MP let alone become PM.

What does that tell you about todays Tory party? and its why we are in the mess we are now.

No one is disputing the racism of previous decades.

The xenophobia bubbling under the surface for decades has been cultivated to the point of Brexit and that sentiment has since been milked for all that it is worth. What was once derided is now embraced.

"It wasn't legitimised back then" didn't watch much telly in the 70s then, did you? Our leaders didn't disown it. At best, they ignored it. Or embraced it or pandered to it.
We had a purple patch under Blair . That was it.

Sexism is back with a vengeance too.

Sexism, racism etc are always there. Just that sometimes it is more acceptable to show them, and sometimes they are more hidden under the surface.

Or at the top of the Labour Party if you read the EHRC report