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Westministender: Amen to that!

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RedToothBrush · 20/09/2020 20:52

On the Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, Johnson went to Westminster Abbey and was trolled. Its almost divine in its irony.

In a week where just about the entire right wing press has turned on him, for being... well shit... They have the dawning realisation that yes all those annoying lefties were right all along when they said he was full of nothing but hot air. He's been ridiculed for being paid £150,000 a year and not being able to feed his 5000 kids and the pictures to mark the anniversary of him becoming PM do little more than look like a man who couldn't tie his own shoe laces without a nanny to help him.

But its not really a laughing matter. This man doesn't understand what legal agreements he's signed so his solution to his ineptitude is to throw his toys out of the pram together with the rule of law. Which he also does not understand.

Johnson is also ever increasingly keen on ripping up inconvient human right and workers right and he has ample opportunity to do all this in the middle of a pandemic.

Unfortunately the hypocrisy of his cronies isn't exactly helping the behaviour of the public and you have to pity the poor behavioural scientists who have to tell him that 'of course the public are going to give you the vs when you tell them you shouldn't do this when your chief advisor claims to be maybe going blind'.

It seems the whole government strategy on managing the virus seems to be falling flat on its face rather sooner than planned cos they stuck Dildo in charge who wouldn't know her Rs from her elbow if it hit her in the face. And we've got Hancock going full on 1984, telling us not to believe the reports that no one can get a test because its all lies - except half the country has either first hand experience of the travesty of Track and Trace or has a close mate who they know is a hell of a lot more reliable than any of these fuckwits when it comes to telling the truth.

Meanwhile in America Bader Ginsburg has managed to die at possibly the most inconvient and dangerous time possible just as the future of democracy in the US is clinging on by its finger nails.

And yes. Money laundering. Haven't we talked about that a lot on these threads. Its almost as if FinCEN was predictable...

Taking back control was always about the elite taking back control from the masses. But if you've managed to keep following all this time, we've been saying that since April 2016 and no one listened then, so why would they start listening now?

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DGRossetti · 21/09/2020 19:09

So how do you all feel about having to pay for covid testing? Dido Harding

Can fuck right off back to Uselessland whence she emerged.

NotAKaren · 21/09/2020 20:13

Would these be tests carried out by a company which has links to Boris Johnson's half brother Max?

Pepperwort · 21/09/2020 20:26

PMK. Well who knew that big money is corrupt as all hell; or that the regions were always right about the iniquity of running down making and producing in favour of London and it’s unholy financial services. Colour me surprised. Although the extent of it, if the US considers the UK the height of corruption, is a genuine surprise.

prettybird · 21/09/2020 20:44

Surprise, surprise, despite this having been raised for years and related promises to address it, the loophole on Scottish Limited Partnerships still hasn't been fully closed Hmm There is a Times article from October 2019 (which I can't read all of) which says it is still happening.

...and look who has benefited: Russia Hmm

Somehow I don't see the current government falling over itself to stop it happening Hmm

https://www.thenational.scot/news/16192534.measures-close-money-laundering-loophole-arent-enough/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-43935839

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 21:12

@pinkbalconyrailing

have banks closing expat accounts been discussed yet? that will affect people enjoying retirement in the costas and other people who no longer live in the uk but still have comitments like property, life insurance...
..... What's that !? < wakes up >
BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 21:14

[quote FatCatThinCat]So how do you all feel about having to pay for covid testing? Dido Harding has said that 'Moonshot' tests will not be free.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/daily-moonshot-tests-covid-nhs-paid-by-public-655089?ito=social%7Cfacebook%7Cfb_theipaper&fbclid=IwAR2boZMu2PCujuP2u3R0145-WXYIrP9GkBqOwV3tocQreDK2MYQqy2eDnlY[/quote]
....
Harding has a history of failure

... and it looks like she has a future of failure too !

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 21:20

I just Googled:

"BBC Radio 4 - Money Box:
Ex-pat bank accounts closed due to Brexit: Thousands of British people living in European countries have been told their UK bank accounts will be closed by the end of the year because of Brexit"

Well Nationwide haven't mentioned this to me yet, but anyway, I don't need a UK acount any more, as I have no other assets or bills there
I just retained a small acount with them out of habit / sentiment / keeping a financial foot in the UK

BUT....
Brexit is going to continue to be a massive series of fuckups & broken promises, isn't it 🤦🏻‍♀️

Peregrina · 21/09/2020 21:20

So she plans to charge us for a test which doesn't exist yet, and probably won't exist for the near future. I don't think I will be rushing to get it.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 22:18

The moonshot only makes sense if run to produce super-quick mass testing, not as an attempt to squeeze more money out of desperate people

Tory Brexiters successfully railed against the "elite" to win a referendum and then 2 GEs

Dido Harding is the shameless product of the elite, of chumocracy, qualified for bugger all of the plum jobs she is appointed to:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dido-harding-coronavirus-test-covid-19-glastonbury-b470500.html

"The incredible story of how a woman called Dido Hardingg^ came to be in charge of her country’s testing programme during a once-in-a-century pandemic,
despite having no qualifications for the role, really begins a very long time ago.

Would she have got the job had she not already been made chair of NHS Improvement in 2017,
despite her having to step down from her previous role as chairman of TalkTalk – when four million of her customers had their personal data stolen by two 15-year-old boys?

Would she have been made chair of NHS Improvement if she had not already been appointed a Conservative peer in 2014?

Would she have been appointed a Conservative peer in 2014 if she and her Conservative MP husband John Penrose had not been great chums with then prime minister David Cameron?

Would she have been great chums with David Cameron if she had not hung out with him at Oxford,
during the (still ongoing) period in the former prime minister’s life in which you only really got to be his friend if you had parents who would buy you a £3,500 morning suit solely to be worn while smashing up the backroom of unsuspecting country pubs?

And would she have hung out with David Cameron at Oxford if she had not been born, 52 years ago, to the 2nd Baron Harding of Petherton?"

DrBlackbird · 21/09/2020 22:24

[quote FatCatThinCat]So how do you all feel about having to pay for covid testing? Dido Harding has said that 'Moonshot' tests will not be free.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/daily-moonshot-tests-covid-nhs-paid-by-public-655089?ito=social%7Cfacebook%7Cfb_theipaper&fbclid=IwAR2boZMu2PCujuP2u3R0145-WXYIrP9GkBqOwV3tocQreDK2MYQqy2eDnlY[/quote]
Dido saying If you take the test and get a negative result it means you are not contagious... perfectly illustrates what a disaster her leadership of the NIHP will be. No mention that the test needs to actually be effective to accurately predict a true negative and as long as they're not the ones developed by Owen Paterson's employer

Pepperwort · 21/09/2020 22:31

Hands up all the people who voted to live in an organised criminal and rogue state, existing to fleece everyone honest.

TokyoSushi · 21/09/2020 22:35

Oh Jeez, 'live televised address' at 8pm tomorrow from Johnson - isn't that just when the Bake Off starts?! 🙄

TokyoSushi · 21/09/2020 22:35

Just reported now on BBC news

Peregrina · 21/09/2020 22:36

Hands up all the people who voted to live in an organised criminal and rogue state, existing to fleece everyone honest.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't think hard enough to realise that this was what they did back last December. They voted to 'Get Brexit Done', and didn't care how Johnson and cronies did it.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2020 22:38

www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/21/britons-eu-uk-bank-accounts-closed-lloyds-barclays-brexit
Thousands of Britons living in EU told their UK bank accounts will be closed
Lloyds and Barclays among banks taking action due to lack of post-Brexit trade deal

Major implications for a lot of people - particularly those who are paid into a British account (see pensioners)

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yoikes · 21/09/2020 22:41

@RedToothBrush

www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/21/britons-eu-uk-bank-accounts-closed-lloyds-barclays-brexit Thousands of Britons living in EU told their UK bank accounts will be closed Lloyds and Barclays among banks taking action due to lack of post-Brexit trade deal

Major implications for a lot of people - particularly those who are paid into a British account (see pensioners)

Costa del leavers won't be happy project fear
SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 21/09/2020 23:05

Gina Miller on the standard Tory MP response to letters about the IMB and breaking international law....

twitter.com/thatginamiller/status/1306948401775472640?s=09

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 23:08

Landlords slash rents by up to 20% as tenants quit city centres in pandemic

www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/20/private-rents-plunge-covid-19-decimates-lettings-market-workplace-space-gardens

‘Race to suburbia’ and a lack of foreign students see rental demand plummet in wake of Covid-19

BigChocFrenzy · 21/09/2020 23:09

Not a drain ....

www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/20/about-a-quarter-of-the-uks-top-earners-are-migrants-data-shows

Almost a quarter of the best paid people in the UK are migrants, according to analysis of anonymised tax returns collected by HM Revenue and Customs.

Of the 525,000 people in the top 1% each earning more than £128,000, 24% moved to the UK as adults,
according to the research by academics at the University of Warwick.
Migrants make up just 15% of the UK population as a whole.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2020 00:23

Carl Heneghan & Suneptra Gupta have joined up with Sikorsky (didn't he keep saying Covid will be over by June, then Sept ?) in a letter to the PM & chancellor

They seem to be asking that the govt "protect" the vulnerable (i.e. wish them the best of luck) but drop restrictions for everyone else, to prioritise the economy and a return to normal

Letter on twitter and also in the Spectator:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-needs-to-rethink-his-covid-strategy

I don't rate any of those 3 highly, especially Sikorsky
You can soon tell their ideology, whereas you can't tell if Spiegelhalter - whom I admire - has any ideology. He just does the stats, leaves the politics alone

HilaryThorpe · 22/09/2020 07:36

The problem with EU residents and UK bank accounts is caused by the loss of passporting rights which will require new arrangements for different countries. So far only two or three banks are closing accounts and France and Spain are not on the list of countries affected. It would potentially be a problem for us as UK pensioners as all our pensions are paid into our UK bank account and we transfer money each month to our French account. We could probably get pensions transferred to pay directly to our French account, but this would mean less effective management of our finances with a falling pound and nothing in the UK for support for the grandchildren.
Our Barclaycard account will be closed next month but this is a minor inconvenience.

Cacacoisfarraige · 22/09/2020 07:41

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Pepperwort · 22/09/2020 07:44

Not a drain... Almost a quarter of the best paid people in the UK are migrants, according to analysis of anonymised tax returns collected by HM Revenue and Customs.

I’ve tried to say this elsewhere. The contrasting view of migrants as a drain / contributors is not the simple dichotomy that it appears. It’s two sides of the same coin.

For a start, it’s generally the well-off of their own countries who can come here. Travel costs and we’re a small island. Many people in Britain view the next town as a foreign country. Internal geographic mobility is reducing. EU immigration is not quite so bad for this.

The key is to ask what does their ‘contribution’ consist of. Sometimes it’s different customs that can be monetised, eg food most obviously. Much of the time it’s because they come here as adults, already trained. Government and the higher echelons do not need to pay for their education from birth through to 25 or so. The time period of immigration expansion means they haven’t yet had to pay for old age, pensions or care.

What is being created is a big-city group of international super-rich travellers, while the rest of us get squeezed on all sides and abandoned to cope with the economic distortion. Such as London’s effect on housing markets.

Obviously asylum seekers are different etc etc, exceptions, investments go down as well as up. I wonder if in another three centuries we’ll be told again how much ‘we’ have benefitted as a nation from the distortion and how much our ordinary working people will then owe again to those of other countries.

Peregrina · 22/09/2020 08:06

I don't disagree with the Spectator letter and personally do think that Gupta deserves a hearing - I don't know the other two. But what is wrong with asking for a clear objective with the policies and targetting those most at risk? It cannot be worse than the present knee-jerk policies, if they can be called such.

On another thread there are parents of teenagers who say that their offspring are not going to obey the rules, and quite honestly, I don't blame the young people. Half the time we don't know what the rules are, some of the rules seem totally arbitrary and furthermore, the Johnson-Cummings cronies will pick and choose which ones they comply with.

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