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Westministenders: A Year of Johnson

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2020 21:34

So having given the benefit of the doubt...

... whats your reflections?

Good (and yes do have some thoughts on the positive - challenge yourself on this one as its important) and the bad (and yes this is the easy bit but keep it within reason)?

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MashedPotatoBrainz · 25/07/2020 13:34

Positives? He hasn't started a war. Yet ...

DGRossetti · 25/07/2020 13:47

@MashedPotatoBrainz

Positives? He hasn't started a war. Yet ...
Which could also be said of Trump ? Unless I've missed something ?
JeSuisPoulet · 25/07/2020 15:46

Do trade wars count?

QuestionMarkNow · 25/07/2020 15:52

PMK

DGRossetti · 25/07/2020 16:11

Possibly if not probably posted before, but I noticed it popped up in an unrelated discussion elsewhere ...

truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-penny-drops-brexit-reality-for-fishing-industry-hits-grimsby/

pointythings · 25/07/2020 16:13

I've got a positive - at least three of my Tory voting friends saying they will never vote Conservative again.

prettybird · 25/07/2020 16:16

I've come up with a positive from my perspective at least Wink

BJ is doing wonders to increase support for Scottish independence Grin

It maybe isn't so good for the UK though Wink

RedToothBrush · 25/07/2020 16:34

@pointythings

I've got a positive - at least three of my Tory voting friends saying they will never vote Conservative again.
I had one of my leave voting friends, confess that she knew nothing about politics afterall and had been shocked by how things had all gone mad this year and how simple things could have such big effects.

Needless to say, I was rather chuffed.

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JeSuisPoulet · 25/07/2020 16:38

I do think that fewer people in UK would say "that could never happen here!" than 2 years ago.

I am counting this as a positive because it shows an increase in awareness.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2020 16:40

@pointythings

I've got a positive - at least three of my Tory voting friends saying they will never vote Conservative again.
Sadly, the problem with Tories - politicians and voters - is they have a "complex" relationship with the truth.
ListeningQuietly · 25/07/2020 16:40

It will be interesting to see how populism and identity politics fare over the next year or so
the pictures from Portland Oregon are chilling
and hopefully COVID has been a bit of a wake up call for lots of people

GrumpiestOldWoman · 25/07/2020 16:43

PMK (sorry, nothing positive to add about the current government)

borntobequiet · 25/07/2020 16:48

The only person at work with whom I had areal argument about Brexit gave me a lift home recently (we had made up some months later, agreeing not to discuss the topic). Obviously he voted Conservative last year with high hopes of Johnson and his government, but is now bitterly disappointed and somewhat disgusted as to the current state of affairs.

Anyway, PMK with the usual thanks

LouiseCollins28 · 25/07/2020 17:15

Reflections on a year of PM Johnson: A person whom I wouldn’t have chose to be Conservative leader, yet leader and PM he is, so....

Positives:
Election victory. Like I said I’m not a Boris fan, but when the alternative is labour under Jeremy Corbyn? Thank goodness the messages cut through, a mandate was conferred, the dither and delay and obfuscation could be ended and we get some sense of direction.

Brexit delivery (tax in post). Finally some of the shower of contemptible shysters who utterly failed as our elected representatives during 2016-2019 were elbowed aside for a new majority government. Finally setting us on the path to leaving the EU.

Covid: I have been so heartened to see that if necessary our government (any colour) can intervene in such a major way. Of course, such intervention isn’t really desirable IMO and shouldn’t really be necessary. Once the danger to public health became clear, business should simply have shut down, without being told to, people should have simply stayed away without being told to. In the face of some non compliance I am pleased the government could and did act. Like some others I was also pleased to see a commitment to personal liberty holding some of this back, but more pleased to see it overriden when the scale of threat became clearer. Govt support to jobs has been good.

Negatives:
“Back to business as usual”: the COVID crisis afford us an opportunity to refashion our economy and society which the Johnson government are squandering because they want to get “back to normal”. Tax payer support for sectors of our economy where personal consumption is damaging to the environment, e.g. passenger air travel, fast fashion, fast food, ‘single use’ basically anything, should be stopped. A plan should be being developed now to drastically reduce transit of commuters by rail, cars, and any other means of transport that are polluting, i.e. everything apart from walking or cycling.

The government have intervened in the economy yes to protect jobs (which they should do) but also to protect large business, which unless those businesses are critical to our ability to defend ourselves, they shouldn’t. We shouldn’t go back to mass personal consumption. Publicly supporting risk while privatising profit making is wrong.

Contempt of parliament: for as long as Parliament held the electorate in contempt I was more relaxed about this. Now Brexit is finally being delivered I am less so. The intel committee, etc, Johnson has to do better here.

Covid: from the above, I am pleased the government did act, but there is so, so much more to be done. What if there had been mass non compliance, what would the response have been? the evidence of Bournemouth beach says to me “woefully inadequate”. Government needs to ensure that agencies charged with protecting the public have the tools necessary to ensure they can fulfil that role. Our health system will get the resources it needs, but we must have a conversation about what it does. Slowness of response on some things has cost people their lives. Now not all of the resp for that attaches to Johnson, public health is of course a local responsibility but enough does that he should be chastened, and he shows no sign of that.

DGRossetti · 25/07/2020 17:17

@borntobequiet

The only person at work with whom I had areal argument about Brexit gave me a lift home recently (we had made up some months later, agreeing not to discuss the topic). Obviously he voted Conservative last year with high hopes of Johnson and his government, but is now bitterly disappointed and somewhat disgusted as to the current state of affairs.

Anyway, PMK with the usual thanks

It would have been amusing to have turned the tables and praised Boris and banged on about how glad you were it wasn't Corbyn.

And anyway, he'll still vote Tory next election. They always do.

Clavinova · 25/07/2020 17:37

Possibly if not probably posted before, but I noticed it popped up in an unrelated discussion elsewhere...

From the link:
"just one month before the December election where Boris Johnson was given the green light to proceed with ‘getting Brexit done’–the penny was starting to drop in Grimsby." ...
"In fact, as the 6th November Grimsby Telegraph headline said" ...

The Grimsby Telegraph headline is dated 6th November 2017 - 2 years before the 2019 December election, not one month before.

Also from the article;
"The last three general elections saw its Labour candidate winning comfortably.This December, Grimsby subsequently then went full-on Brexit and voted to give the Conservatives one of their new northern seats."

DGRossetti · 25/07/2020 17:39

You know when you've been Tangoed Grin !

FrankieStein402 · 25/07/2020 17:54

the dither and delay and obfuscation could be ended
Could have been - but it hasn't been. Cf every single government initiative - each gets pre-briefed 5-10 days before announced, then fudged in the announcement depending on its reception.
Hence the constant refrain of message confusion.

Ditto the release of the isc report - desperate attempt to rig a non-release, when that failed - we're still waiting for decisive action.

Ditto the sacking of sedwill - paid off handsomely

Ditto being bumbled into a covid enquiry and depfeffel now admitting that 'we could have done different' - meaning that he's preparing the ground for an absolute slamming.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2020 18:11

COVID will indeed have massively changed work & business - far more than any politicians could -

if businesses are similarly keen to keep WFH

Westministenders: A Year of Johnson
BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2020 18:16

pretty 😂😂

(DG must be innured to such things by now)

BigChocFrenzy · 25/07/2020 18:20

"Brexit delivery..."

iirc this is the columnist who wrote 2 articles before the ref campaign, one for Leave, one Remain
.... and then decided which campaign could best help him become PM

CrypticQueen · 25/07/2020 18:30

Positive: I’m glad the Tories were in power to spend the billions needed to help businesses through COVID and the recession that’s following. If Labour had done the exact same thing, can you imagine the hysteria ... Hmm

Negative: being behind the curve on tackling COVID in every way possible, systematically and underhandedly dismantling democratic checks and balances, Brexit and resulting reliance on the US ...

ListeningQuietly · 25/07/2020 18:36

Look how proud he was at the outcome ....

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 25/07/2020 18:42

Louise you wrote "Covid: I have been so heartened to see that if necessary our government (any colour) can intervene in such a major way".

I expected better from you. The intervention could and should have been so much better. The delay in locking down has cost thousands of lives and the consequence is a lengthy lockdown that has done untold damage to the economy and to school children (some reckon the effects on education will be felt for 65 years).

But, 'not Corbyn', so it's all good, isn't that your baseline?

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 25/07/2020 18:50

I meant to say, the effects on the economy will be felt for 65 years.
BBC News - Coronavirus: Lost school time 'will hurt economy for 65 years' - study
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53514564