Westministenders: A Year of Johnson

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So having given the benefit of the doubt...

... whats your reflections?

Good (and yes do have some thoughts on the positive - challenge yourself on this one as its important) and the bad (and yes this is the easy bit but keep it within reason)?

Whilst I understand that I'm in a minority for giving a shit, I think you might be incorrect in stating that no one does.

Are you in Government then? I am pretty sure that they were who were meant when nobody gives a shit was talked about.

But, purely out of curiositty DGF, I'm not alone in giving a shit about UK Farmers and Fisherman and many other sectors too. Whilst I understand that I'm in a minority for giving a shit, I think you might be incorrect in stating that no one does.

That wasn't quite what I said ... it was explained as hyperbole.

But my point stands. No one that can do anything about it gives a shit.

No, I'm not in Govt. There's probably one or two in Govt that do give shit too, although also in a minority too.

Anyway it's all a bit too 'othering' these 'blanket statements that aver because you are one thing you must be other things too. Akin to claiming that 'Brexiteers' other - which is a statement that is a great example of 'othering'.

See, I do read your threads, just usually just keep quiet and let you all get on with it - why gatecrash a tea party I'm not invited to, nor dressed for?

Don't want to rude but I need to go - night all.

There's probably one or two in Govt that do give shit too, although also in a minority too.
but unless its Cummings and his chums
they may as well be nobody

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Does giving a shit matter, if someone does absolutely nothing about it,

no demonstrations, no petition, no donations .....

For many years, I've bought as much as possible from farm shops, not supermarkets, to help local farmers
I know that's not an option available to those who don't live near any, or can only afford the cheapest food,
but it's something tangible I could do, so I've been doing it long before the referendum was a fart in Cameron's arse

Since the ref, I've added my comments about protecting British farmers when the UK trade dept asked online about what people wanted in a US FTA
I've signed petitions
I can't go on a demonstration, not living in the UK, but I can donate to fund someone's fare

Sad, but manageable

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/29/uk-health-leaders-call-for-government-to-seek-total-elimination-of-covid-19

Scientists advising the government have predicted that between 43 and 84 people will still be dying from Covid-19 every day by mid-August,

A friend who works at the local hospital said work had decided to test all 9k workers this week and only 13 came back as positive. I think more workplaces, especially health trusts should be doing this regularly.

Of course we are still missing figures for those who have had mild cases and have long term effects. I'd be so interested to see the proportions as mortality rates don't seem to be the full story with this virus, in terms of why we need to stop transmission.

I checked the ONS data for my area...
6 covid deaths.

It will be interesting to see the impact of people sitting on planes to go on holiday has.

Of course a big reason why concern about farmers has ramped up so much since the referendum
.... is that Brexit has created very new problems for them:

Without Brexit, they wouldn't be at risk of having to compete with cheap substandard US food - chlorinated chicken, hormone-ridden beef etc

Farming exports to the EU wouldn't be at risk

Farmers and fishermen will be directly and adversely affected by a no-deal Brexit, something they were assured would not happen. They will lose very lucrative European markets. It’s the engineers of a no-deal, that is, the current Government, that don’t give a shit.

Je suis - it will be interesting, as planes have pretty good air filtration systems (the same level as operating theatres I believe) - plus the air in the cabin is replace every two minutes. My understanding is that it's when you get into long haul it's more of an issue because of surface transfer. Though of course you can't separate infection with those that may happen in the airport in queues , or indeed in that beach bar.
The hard thing is the government have rolled back everything so quickly we won't know if it's restaurant and bars, or gyms or holidays . Though no doubt the government will want to blame the holiday makers and the foreign country's, rather than to look at there own policy at home

Isn't the evolution of brexshitter language fascinating??

We won, get over it! (Heard that a LOT)
Easiest deal in history (ha!)
No deal is better than a bad deal (?)
Brexit means brexit (wtf?)
New Albion
Taking back control
Sovereignty!

To:
It won't be as bad as the black death

And from our own dear hate
"We'll just have to see how things pan out"

Wonder where the brexit Arms regulars are?....

I have nothing to say re; Neil Yaxley Lennon other than he is probably correct that he won't be safe after a disastrous no deal brexshit.

Neither will BJ, Gove, DC, or Farage. They won't stick around for long. Just ling enough to destabilise a while country and count their wads of cash.

Does giving a shit matter, if someone does absolutely nothing about it, no demonstrations, no petition, no donations .....

I don't know, you'd have to ask Bishop Berkley.

I have to say that I greet all petitions since the 6 million plus signature one last year (which disappeared quietly into history. Which is odd for one of the biggest petitions in democracy with 10% of the population backing it) with a weary cynicism.

I'd like to know who - knowing that the signatures of 6 million people can be dismissed to oblivion - thinks a paltry 1 million signatures is of interest to anyone.

MrsL
Re planes plus the air in the cabin is replace every two minutes
No idea where you got that idea from.
Its nearer to every three hours that the air is fully exchanged with fresh

Didn't airlines quietly save millions by turning down the air exchange in planes when smoking was banned ? With a commensurate increase in respiratory disease transmission ?

Interesting thought DGR wasn’t aware of that one but you may well be right about less air exchange. I am incredulous at people wanting to jet off while we are in the middle of a pandemic, absolutely mind boggling IMO.

@ListeningQuietly

MrsL Re planes plus the air in the cabin is replace every two minutes No idea where you got that idea from. Its nearer to every three hours that the air is fully exchanged with fresh

The quality of aircraft cabin air is carefully controlled. Ventilation provides a total change of air 20–30 times per hour. Most modern aircraft have recirculation systems, which recycle up to 50% of cabin air. The recirculated air is usually passed through high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters of the type used in hospital operating theatres and intensive care units, which trap dust particles, bacteria, fungi and viruses.

From the WHO air travel advice.

Didn't airlines quietly save millions by turning down the air exchange in planes when smoking was banned ? With a commensurate increase in respiratory disease transmission ?

The scheduling of the air exchange/scheduling of the flow through the air conditioning packs on airliners has been tweaked over the years as I recall it to improve fuel consumption/reduce emissions.

Even so both Airbus, Boeing and independent studies show you normally get a complete exchange of cabin air every few minutes, certainly not every two or three hours.....

@LouiseCollins28

Interesting thought DGR wasn’t aware of that one but you may well be right about less air exchange. I am incredulous at people wanting to jet off while we are in the middle of a pandemic, absolutely mind boggling IMO.

That's before you factor in the unknown fumes that could be circulating.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32786537

I'll say it again. The days of mass long-haul (possibly any haul) air travel died in March 2020. The airline industry was already pushing itself to the very limits of affordability/viability (as we know with the previous collapses). Even the slightest shift in the underlying economic model was a risk. And COVID is a nuclear blast.

There's a lot of magical thinking going on here. The bottom line is that sometimes, in history, no matter how many people want something, they can't have it.

I'd have thought Brexiteers of all people would be able to grasp that concept, even if it's not complete bollocks which they manage to get so easily. But they do like to tell us all the time how "we managed before ...." so going back to the days of ferries, liners and holidays in Clacton should be an easy ask.

And in a show of odd unity, I'm totally with Louise here. The last place you'd catch me at the moment is an airport.

I do know that almost every time I fly long haul, I end up with a very bad cold and/or sore throat (to the extent that I lose my voice). Whether that is down to the recycled air or just the dry atmosphere, I would still hypothesise without more evidence as I'm not a doctor that it would make me (and others like me) more vulnerable to respiratory tract infections like Covid

@prettybird

I do know that almost every time I fly long haul, I end up with a very bad cold and/or sore throat (to the extent that I lose my voice). Whether that is down to the recycled air or just the dry atmosphere, I would still hypothesise without more evidence as I'm not a doctor that it would make me (and others like me) more vulnerable to respiratory tract infections like Covid

Of course they can whack the recirculation up - and change the filters more often. That''' be an extra 10% on top of the existing premium they'll have to charge to factor in carrying less passengers per flight and overall.

So air travel becomes more expensive as most people become poorer. Not a great intersection.

It only takes a few seconds to inhale a sneeze but yes, contact surface transmissions (as well as throughout airports) and the use of public transport that most people need at some point either around the airport or on holiday are all increased.

Am very surprised at the amount of people I know willing to risk this who were fairly militant about staying at home only a couple of weeks ago. By the way, does anyone know if Eurotunnel air filtration system has similar regulations to flights? I assume it must be...but assumption, well we all know.