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Westminstenders: Political vacuums are very bad things

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RedToothBrush · 09/05/2020 23:18

Johnson has been notible (once again) but his absence.

Whilst we appreciate he has been ill and has a new baby, we are in the midst of a national crisis and a sense of leadership and guidance from our prime minister has been lacking.

And its not gone unnoticed.

Not just by the press. And not just by opposition. Nor NHS and care managers. But on the ground where it matters.

The lack of the sense of seriousness has dissipated. The sense of duty to country to behave. The idea that it will some how be all over this week when it doesn't appear to be the government strategy. The total lack of policy for a week whilst it's become clear bit by bit that these things have been under discussion and decided upon prior to the supposed key meeting on Thursday from the announcements from the regional assemblies. All in favour of a TV stunt tomorrow night.

Let's see how that goes.

The grandstanding isn't a substitute for detail and substance in a crisis. And we still have the looming show down at the end of June over extension of transition. More optics. More lack of practicality at a time when things will really be on the brink.

The next month will be telling and we hit the wall of economic reality which will bring the whole world crashing in on the lives of so many people.

This is the calm before the storm. Enough the sunshine. Enjoy the time with families. Before this is over everything will have changed for so many.

This is just the start of things unravelling and it needs someone to take control and draw up solid blueprints for all our futures. Is a man who is so frequently awol from where he is supposed to be and doesn't take commitments and responsibilities seriously, really the man for that?

Churchill had a vision for the country that cited housing as our second social service, the NHS being our first.

Will Johnson manage to some how forge out so grand new venture which gives the resource and rewards it deserves to the NHS (beyond lipservice and empty platitudes and clapping, that recognises the importance of social care and can stop the almost inevitable coming wave of homelessness and unemployment

And can he do it without selling us off as a basement bargain to the us?

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AuldAlliance · 12/05/2020 11:57

Their communication is dire.
I've just seen that Handcock is quoted this morning as having said:
"it’s unlikely big lavish international holidays are going to be possible for this summer. I just think that’s a reality of life."

Cue people wondering, "Can I go on a modest little international holiday, then?"

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 12:10

I see the Guardian is reporting that the UK death toll has now passed 40,000. Which I believe is definitely the highest in Europe.

Great ! Let's have a fucking street party.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 12:12

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Westminstenders: Political vacuums are very bad things
Piggywaspushed · 12/05/2020 12:13

I suspect , though, that Ryanair might prevent me getting a refund for my long ago booked extremely humble international summer holiday...

yoikes · 12/05/2020 12:14

Mr O Leary can bite me.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 12:15

What could make things worse ?

A civil fucking war.

Although if this gammon cunt thinks he's going to get me or my family to fight for him, he can suck my blowhole.

www.thenational.scot/news/18441642.tory-mp-wants-welsh-parliament-abolished-can-go-beach/

A TORY MP has called for the Welsh Parliament to be abolished so he can take a trip to the beach.

Daniel Kawczynski, who represents Shrewsbury, said the Senedd should be scrapped leading to a "political union" between England and Wales.

yoikes · 12/05/2020 12:17

What a thundercunt

RedToothBrush · 12/05/2020 12:24

May I be the first to get in "Corbyn would have been worse."

You are far too late for that.

Threre were a whole bunch of those yesterday.

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boatyardblues · 12/05/2020 12:39

Even if he could get to Wales, I suspect Daniel Kawczynski has just made himself so unpopular in Wales that any future holidays there would be a whole lot less enjoyable. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

ClashCityRocker · 12/05/2020 12:41

Furlough extended to July, then tapered out til October.

The financial side they've actually done very well with, given the timescale they had to put packages in place. It's not faultless but it does seem to be handled competently and in a considered, sensible manner.

RedToothBrush · 12/05/2020 12:42

Even if he could get to Wales, I suspect Daniel Kawczynski has just made himself so unpopular in Wales that any future holidays there would be a whole lot less enjoyable. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Actually I suspect Plaid already have an invitation to visit already in the post.

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RedToothBrush · 12/05/2020 12:45

Furlough extended to July, then tapered out til October.

The BBC have the following message on the ticker:

"Government will ask employers to share the cost".

So the government have been generous in furlough and it will be the mean nasty employers who sack people rather than the government who are nasty for ending furlough....

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/05/2020 12:49

Daniel Kawczynski - we already know what kind of politician he is - very ignorant even about UK history and very rightwing
e.g. from Feb:

Tory MP told by party attendance at far-right event 'unacceptable'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/06/daniel-kawczynski-tory-mp-told-by-party-attendance-at-far-right-event-unacceptable

He was also the ignorant fuckwit who claimed last year that the UK had received NO MArshall aid after WW2
(the UK in fact received more than any other country, but chose to use it to (try to) hang onto Empire)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DanielKawczynski#Marshalll_Plan

""Britain helped to liberate half of Europe. She mortgaged herself up to eye balls in process.

No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany."

LouiseCollins28 · 12/05/2020 13:02

Do you genuinely think that asking employers who should have at least some of their workforce back at work by the end July/beginning of August to meet 20% of the cost of their wages and salaries is unreasonable Red.

If it were kept at the full 80% for the further 3 months then some employees would be seeing their employees return to work but the cost of employing them continuing to be borne by the taxpayer, surely?

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 13:28

Daniel Kawczynski, who represents Shrewsbury, said the Senedd should be scrapped leading to a "political union" between England and Wales.

What's wrong with our English beaches, you traitorous piece of slime ?

I really hope he gets a fucktonne of hatemail from the Association of English Beaches or whatever quango is responsible for promoting English tourism. How dare he talk about other countries beaches over Englands.

pointythings · 12/05/2020 13:42

We've got some pretty good beaches in Suffolk. I can point him to some of them which may or may not have a strong undertow and no lifeguards.

Tanith · 12/05/2020 13:59

I wonder if he's considered Morecambe Bay?

ElenadeClermont · 12/05/2020 14:02

By October we are expected to be in the grip of the second wave. Does that mean that the Job Retention Scheme will be in force for at least a year?

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 14:14

Of course WW2 was really a signal failure of the might of the British Empire in managing to keep the peace in Europe. Hard to disagree with Americans who felt tricked into having to liberate Europe, and whose attitude post war was that Britain could clearly not be trusted to keep the peace anywhere let alone in it's own backyard of Europe. Hence the postwar shift in the balance of power.

Funny how most Britons "forget" the fact that in 1939 Britain had the largest navy in the world and access to 25% of the worlds population (and goodness knows what %age of the worlds resources). How the hell did a pipsqueak like Hitler manage to take on the British Empire and come so close to victory ?

I read too much.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 14:17

I wonder if he's considered Morecambe Bay?

Maybe if he wised up ?

BigChocFrenzy · 12/05/2020 14:26

How the hell did a pipsqueak like Hitler manage to take on the British Empire - and the USSr and the USA - and come so close to victory ?

This is why most of Germany's neighbours really don't want them to have a strong military again, even in NATO

They are too damn efficient at most things when they put their mind to it
Imagine if Hitler had actually been efficient too and not a delusional maniac who repeatedly buggered up the plans of his generals.

Jason118 · 12/05/2020 14:28

@DGRossetti very good, I like how you put down all the right letters, but not necessarily in the right orderGrin

DGRossetti · 12/05/2020 14:38

How the hell did a pipsqueak like Hitler manage to take on the British Empire - and the USSr and the USA - and come so close to victory

No, forget the USA. They were in no way even close to the combined might of the British EMPIRE in 1939.

In the years leading up to World War II, the United States had not yet become the world’s leading superpower. In fact, it was well down on the list of military powers. In 1939, the US Army, with a strength of 174,000, was 19th in the rankings of ground forces. That put it, according to historian Eric Larrabee, “ahead of Bulgaria but just behind Portugal.”

(www.airforcemag.com/article/1007wwii/)

You can't have it both ways, you know. The more I have to have the fucking "Empire" rammed down my throat by people that know fuck all about anything, then the more disgraceful it becomes that Germany was able to do what it did. As I noted. 25% 1 in 4 persons on the planet was included "in Empire". that's before you consider what natural resources - oil, steel, coal and minerals the British Empire had at it's command.

All of this happened long before I was born, so I can't claim any direct knowledge. But - as with the Norman invasion, Reformation, and Civil War, the effects still cut through daily life. Like "oMreecmab" through a stick of rock

BigChocFrenzy · 12/05/2020 14:40

but the USA militarised v quickly and became a military superpower during WW2