Westministenders: Peak something

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Westministenders: Peak something

The story so far

COVID has changed the world for the next few years, like a slowly exploding nuke:

• killed well over 100,000 people
• made many people afraid to leave their home
• caused a Global Depression

Countries locked down because they needed the extra time to

Raise the Line while Flattening the Curve:

1. Flatten the curve of the numbers needing healthcare to a level the system can manage

2. Raise the capacity of their health services and public health systems - their testing and tracking process

Also, scientists desperately needed time to find out more about COVID:
how to avoid it, how to treat it

What happens next ?

Research teams around the world are working to produce a vaccine,
will become hopefully available within the next couple of years

In the meantime, treatment procedures are being developed to better treat COVID sufferers.

Also in the meantime, countries will need to gradually exit lockdown to rescue their economies from complete catastrophe.

Timing & measures for each country will be dependent on:

Death rate after peak,
health service capacity,
testing & tracing capacity etc

....and also what their govt and public deem an "acceptable" level of extra deaths & serious illness.

Possibly some countries will need to cycle in and out of lockdown,
whereas others will be able to accept the death toll with lesser social distancing measures.

The first few countries are already relaxing lockdown,
so the UK will watch, wait and hopefully learn what works and what doesn't

..... then copy these the correct way round

If we get widespread outbreaks rather than hotspots, regional inequality is the least of our problems.

My point is that if you centralise nightingale hospitals furthest away from the most disadvantaged and deprieved communities making it even harder for them to access health care, you make health inequality even worse.

Those who do get medical attention are least likely to be from deprieved communities and they are already more likely to have more serious cases based on risk factors.

And as we've seen in Italy how people died at home and there was no one to collect the body, as all the ambulances were too busy.

How do you think thats going to play out in the UK? Which areas are going to be most badly affected by that?

How do you think thats going to play out in the UK? Which areas are going to be most badly affected by that?

Until the last election I would have said the Labour heartlands - which as far as Cummings, IDS, Patel, Rees-Mogg were concerned - fine - we don't need Labour voters. Now many of those seats have turned Tory - whoops!

The German virologist is fascinating, thanks for posting that.

DGR The lone disabled and the lone elderly are my most serious concern They may be a high % of those dying at home

I'm only concerned about 1 at the moment I'm afraid - DW.

The lack of any effort into even the simplest of "apps" that could regularly require a response and alert the relevant authorities in the event of more than 2 missed speaks volumes.

"I'm just leaving this here."

Is that what you say?

"I'm just leaving this here."

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...slight distraction, but who knew baby foxes could look so cute ?

Presumably this is the “care workers in Norwich, travel to Sheffield” story?! Except they are now being told go to Stansted

www.edp24.co.uk/news/health/norfolk-care-home-staff-told-to-travel-to-sheffield-for-test-1-6614088

Beardy wants your money:

twitter.com/richardbranson/status/1252160127945359367/photo/1

Study that closely:

"All our companies pay tax in the countries they operate in."

They pay tax. Not "all their tax," just "tax," with no article.

The countries they 'operate' in is another good one, especially when your planes spend most of their time in the air between those countries.

Bail-out for Beardy and his vanity project space rockets?

Shal we have a vote on it?

Apart from a to protect a national and international carrier or 2 I can’t see much sense in bailing out airlines generally. People need to fly far less frequently IMO. No bailout for Beardy, for Stelios for me. Who’d be bailing out Ryanair, UK govt or the Republic of Ireland?

Beardy wants your money

British bailouts for British taxpayers. Just keep posting it ...

No, can't see the point of bailing out Beardie.

See the (lack of) testing plans? If you want a text book example of how to plan for something to fail, look no further.

Billionaire Beardy has the money to bail himself out @ 500 million.

Tatiana he's offered his Caribbean Island as collateral. Speaks volumes.

Beardy is worth 2.2 billion USD.

...Yup.

A few less planes filling the skies with pollution, no bad thing.

The days of business travel as an allowable expense against tax are over.

And Beardy is a Weinsteiney scandal waiting to happen. It's an open secret.

he's offered his Caribbean Island as collateral. Speaks volumes.

You mean his hurricane ravished island? The one which will likely be hit by lots more hurricanes?

I find it interesting that it appears to have rolled back from a bailout, to a "commercial loan"

I notice the question the BBC didn't ask (but I will) is if he wants a commercial loan, why doesn't he go to a fucking bank ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52354865

Sir Richard Branson has warned that airline Virgin Atlantic needs government support to survive.

The boss of the Virgin Group said he was not asking for a handout, but a commercial loan, believed to be £500m.

For no particular reason (I'd never heard of it before) I happened to be watching the Turkish news channel (TRT?) early yesterday morning. I'm almost certain they showed pictures of a plane being loaded (could have been library footage I suppose) and the report was that the gowns had already been shipped.

I think I was just listening to the news and replying to them on this thread for no reason.

For no particular reason (I'd never heard of it before) I happened to be watching the Turkish news channel (TRT?) early yesterday morning. I'm almost certain they showed pictures of a plane being loaded (could have been library footage I suppose)

Maybe there was a backlash in the streets ? Someone saw a Daily Mail or Express and realised how much the UK hates Turkey ... after all, fear of Turkey getting into the EU was why Brexiteers voted to leave (or so they said ...)

Either that, or the US turned up with bigger suitcases.

British Bailouts for British Taxpayers
Yup. Been saying that for a while.

DGR I am genuinely gobsmacked that your DW is not on the list of vulnerable. She's been ill for as long as I've been reading your posts and is not magicaly going to get her health back.
What sort of shite records are they working from ????

The lack of any effort into even the simplest of "apps" that could regularly require a response and alert the relevant authorities in the event of more than 2 missed speaks volumes.

It is indeed very telling that there is no effort to proactively monitor sick people to make sure they get help when they need it. My heart aches for those on their own who will not be able to summon timely help for themselves.

The basic approach seems to be to let people either recover or die at home, with a lucky some (how many compared to those who need it?) very seriously ill people being hospitalised - albeit that earlier intervention would probably have led to better outcomes for them.

I assume that, in addition to no real desire to save more people, there is also a reluctance to lower the bar for hospitalisation because they know that they don't have the staffing and would very quickly run out of capacity and that would look bad. We haven't seen images of hospitals failing to cope like in Italy because we haven't tried to save so many people:-(.

It does seem very clear that the underlying policy is primarily to let the vulnerable die from this virus:-(. It makes me feel very very sad to live in this country.