Do we have to declare ourselves non-EU citizens after 31st January?

[smemorata]

Just that really! If I am asked what am I?

it's not much comfort but if you travel with your Irish husband after Christmas you can use the EU queue as your FoM rights will apply forever as the spouse of an EU citizen
very very unlikely to be true as it does not apply to non EU spouses anywhere at present

Just rechecked the email. It definitely says that they are hoping to get visa free travel for UK citizens next year (for less then 90 days stay) but that it is still not negotiated so we should assume UK colleagues will be treated as third country nationals - I'm not sure if this makes any difference but DK withdrew from schengen travel area 'temporarily' a while back which im not sure is still in place (there is a boarder stop on the motorway so im assuming it is). Also I got an email from 'brits in europe' campaign group which basically says the same.

"you can use the EU queue as your FoM rights will apply forever as the spouse of an EU citizen." Not sure that is correct.

Danetobe
Visa free holiday travel is NOT the same things as right to work or live.

eg getting into the USA for a holiday involves a $14 ESTA
getting into the USA to live and work is a whole different ball game

Brits will count the same as Chileans in the eyes of the EU

Yes they've as much as told us to avoid inviting Brit scientists , not forever, but the next year or so till we know whats happening.

you can use the EU queue as your FoM rights will apply forever as the spouse of an EU citizen." Not sure that is correct.

Definitely not true!

(I am in Italy, married to an Italian and am losing FOM).

Sounds true to me! Whenever I travelled with my EU husband and children (prior to becoming an EU citizen myself), I always queued with them as they want to check you together. Same when I (Australian) travelled to Australia with a US friend. He got told off for not going through the Australia/NZ queue together with me.

Getting in the same queue and having FOM are completely different things!

@smemorata yes absolutely. It’s nothing to do with FOM. You will have that though as the spouse of an EU national, should you want to move to a third country together.

Nothing will change during the transition period, freedom of movement will carry on until the end of the year, after then no one knows. All that will change this year is we will continue paying into the EU but will have no representation. I am not sure whether those people having parties tonight actually realise that

I should probably bow out of this conversation though as I usually get told that I would have no idea about what it’s like. My 15 years as a non-EU citizen living in the EU means nothing, apparently

@2020cominatcha I am sorry but you are wrong. Being married to an EU citizen does not give you the same rights as an EU citizen, at least where I live. You need to be a citizen in your own right to get those benefits.

I didn’t know that, Dutch1e! Thanks

@2020cominatcha Sorry, just seen you meant if we moved together. I am thinking about my rights as an individual! I don't want my freedom to be dependent on my husband.

@smemorata I know, it’s shit

So I can queue with them in airports but we can’t move to France?

Again ironic since I’m the French speaker...🙄

There's nothing quite as liberating as moving abroad to a country you have the right to live in almost like a citizen, without applying for visas etc, and then it all being taken away and you gaining a "dependant spouse" classification. There can surely be nothing as sweet, other than a blue passport and £350,000,000 per week for the NHS, than having your entire life, your right to live in the country you're in, being dependent on your marriage.

Its ironic that your DH voted Leave but at the first opportunity got himself an Irish passport...securing the very rights he has helped take away from 16m others.
LTB !

I have never been a Eu citizen, no one has as the Eu is not a country, state or commonwealth. I am British

😂

It’s perhaps more ironic that my Irish father in law voted leave and took away the choice of all of those too young to vote. Then....died

The EU Que is always so much faster.

I have never been a Eu citizen, no one has as the Eu is not a country, state or commonwealth. I am British

FFS neither is the commonwealth, a set up with its origins in slavery, conquest and oppression.. at least the EU is completely voluntary... i am a EU citizen and always will be, Britain can FO.

Why are so many people allowed to hold so many different passports. ?
Maybe everybody should be required to make a decision as to what nationality they are and then get the appropriate passport for that country. Just one passport for just one country.