What changes on 31st January 2020?

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So we enter a transition period of 12 months and will try to get a trade deal up and running in that time?

As we will have left by 1st February what actually changes?

Eu citizens rights?
Trade?
Travel?
Funding?

🤔

I doubt you'll get an answer, because basically no one knows.

Cf. the question on here about passports.
And lots of other issues.
It's fascinatingly vague and, given the nature of the current cabinet, unlikely to get less opaque before Feb 1st.

Transition is 11 months - to 31st December

On 1st February the only real change is that the MEPs will be out of a job
and the UK will no longer have a vote at any EU event

Theoretically nothing changes for 11 months except that:

• the U.K. no longer has any representation on European democratic bodies (council, parliament) or at the commission.
• UK citizens in Europe no longer have any voting rights in their adopted countries unless the country concerned chooses to enfranchise them or unless they take dual nationality

In practice, because the transition is almost universally misunderstood, it's quite likely that for some groups of people, things WILL start to change. For example I am already hearing that EU citizens are being asked for settled status by landlords (they don't even need to have applied yet, and many who have are facing long waits to receive their status).

I'm not sure what happens to Brit citizens in EU 27. E.g. In DK, we will retain our right as per before (with a few exceptions like not being able to move family members to the country under family reunification rights), but what happens if we move to, say, the Netherlands? I assume we won't have EU citizen rights in NL, but will we retain them in DK? Eg. The right to buy property? Unemployment insurance? Education fees? Student finance? Don't. Know.

Dane
Once the WA goes through next week (which it will) the UK is in "transition" until 31.12.20
so effectively nothing changes for you
AND
mainland EU are being much saner about it all than Priti Vacant

What changes is we will no longer be slaves living under the facist jackboot of Brussels (and Strasbourg in alternate months.)

Free At Last, we shall be free, at last, to do all those things we couldn't do before we weren't free to do the things we couldn't do.

Now I suppose you're one of those elite remoaners who says, Such As?

Now I suppose you're one of those elite remoaners who says, Such As?

I’m pretty sure you don’t have to be an ‘elite Remoaner’ to think it must be easy to reel off a list of examples from such a statement if you truly believe in said statement

Otherwise is just sounds like a load of xenophobic hyperbole really

Impression I have is:
31 Jan 2020 is Brexit in Name only. Uk still has to follow all EU regulations on goods & most other things until end of Transition. Real "Brexit" day (assuming no transition extension) will be 1 Jan 2021.

A big difference on 1 Feb 2020 is (I think ) the UK can sign trade negotiations with other countries. Before they could have memoranda of understanding about what trade deal both sides might like, but nothing could be signed (no contracts). The start date for these deals might still be 1 Jan 2021 or later, though.

What happened to division of WTO quotas, did Uk & EU agree that all, done & dusted?

ps: is there still Freedom of Movement of labour between UK & rEU until end of Transition? I thought that was another one that stopped on 1 Feb. Glad to be corrected, though.

Nigel Farage, Anne Widdecombe, Daniel Hannaan are all out of a job. That's a nice thought.

But back here.

I'm pretty sure there's still FoM during transition, so everyone can still move around the entire EU28 until the end of 2020, and the protections (such as they are) in the withdrawal agreement will apply to UK citizens in the EU27 and EU27 citizens in the UK as of the end of the transition period.

Dane, you'll be able to move to NL, in your example, but your withdrawal agreement protections would then only apply to NL, not Denmark (or any other EU27 country - this could have a significant impact on people who live in 1 EU country, but work in others, and is one of the problems with the WA that never got resolved.)

Thank you for the responses (and sorry for derailing) - I'm not sure where else to get information. If I post on fb it goes into a political discussion which is not very helpful in a practical way.

Is there any indication on how long it will be until the situation is sorted re citzens right post transition? It's not that far away in terms of applying for jobs etc.. I have no plans to move btw we're quite settled here, it's more because my DH is on a fixed term contract for the next couple of years but will need to find another job around 2022 if his current contract is not extended. Of course DK is a small country with limited big employers so I'm just trying to figure out what our options could be. If he gets a job in another EU country I'm not sure if I would be able to join him as a 3rd country national post transition (I'm not sure what the stipulations might be, and it is frightening how many people get deported from here at very short notice), so that might limit our options to the UK (we don't want to leave northern europe for personal reasons).

Sorry for rambling. Any advice as to where to get information very much appreciated.

Judging by the behaviour of those in the Brexit Arms last night (how childish was that in the end?), and the explicit comments of at least one, 31st January is the be all and end all and nothing after it matters

Sadly that is and always was all this was about for far too many Leavers - just being able to say we’ve left

Is your DH Danish (or another EU/EEA nationality)? If so, you'll be able to essentially share his FoM rights, and should have no trouble, regardless of what happens with the next stage of negotiations. (He has the right to have his family join him, even if they're non-EU, is my understanding of why it works.)

According to our local embassy's recent Q&A, onwards movements rights (which seems to be what they're calling what used to be our freedom of movement rights) for us are expected to form part of the discussions on the future relationship - which our PM thinks is all going to be sorted by December.

You could try contacting your embassy and see if anyone there has factual answers to your specific questions, or can signpost you to the right place to ask. Ours has belatedly started to actually engage and try to be helpful, so you never know!

Dane, have you linked up with the group the 3million? They are on Facebook. They've also started a charity called Settled, more for EU citizens in the UK but may still have helpful info. Another good group to join is In Limbo, they collect testimonies from people affected in this way and is a good source of emotional support, plus people can signpost.

Thank for those ideas and groups, I'll start looking a them this evening :)

There's also the British in Europe group - www.facebook.com/groups/britishineurope/ on Facebook, and they're on Twitter too I think - they've been apparently acting as a sort of umbrella group for UK citizens' resident in the EU27, and might have answers to your questions, or some of the other members might be able to help.

Leaving is the end of the beginning and was the easy bit.

The tough bit starts, when we are absolutely desperate for a trade deal and have virtually no good will and little bargaining advantage and 11 months to do it all in. With possibly the most lazy politician in a 100 years in charge.

So basically we can do trade deals, but not much else changes. Interesting.

@Danetobe Hope you find the answers, good luck.

No country will do a trade deal with the UK until they know what the deal with the EU will be