Westministenders: Canada Plus and the Transition Phase

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As we approach the 31st January, we slowly tick towards exit and transition.

Things are not yet signed off though the No Deal planning has quietly been stood down with no press release and the government have said they won't talk about trade deals post 31st Jan because the public are bored of them and don't understand.

The new EU president has said that the UK doesn't have time to make a full deal with the EU before 31st December with a deadline which isn't flexible.

We still have no idea what the government plans are. We still have many EU citizens feeling very vulnerable.

Perhaps we should start talking about this rather than Royals for a couple of weeks...

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the European parliament president, David Sassoli, will preside over a low-key ceremony with British MEPs on the evening of 29 January,
shortly after the entire parliament votes on the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

About this, what happens if they don't vote for it, the WA that is ? Could that actually happen ? Could they ask for changes to it ?

In an interview with the Financial Times, he said: “There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year.

“We’re … talking about companies that have known since 2016 that we are leaving the EU.”

Is there no anger about this insulting disingenuousness?

Because there should be.

The Tories just ran an election campaign based on the danger posed to British business by Corbyn, and are now proclaiming 'Fuck Business' loud and clear themselves. I hope Labour are not so caught up in their own problems that the irony is missed.

Elements WHERE DID YOU GET THAT SCARF?

I want one several!

(I've Googled till I'm googly-eyed - help!)

Is there no anger about this insulting disingenuousness?
No, because Brexit is a cult and the beLeavers have convinced themselves that Javid, Johnson, Patel, Raab etc are their saviours. It is irrelevant to them that these people are liars and/or thick. They are on 'their' side and that's all that matters.

By the way, I am not suggesting the Parliament won't ratify the WA , I am 99.9% sure they will, just wondered what would happen if they didn't ?

Is there no anger about this insulting disingenuousness?

Only in very limited circles.

As Chris Grey pointed out in the excellent blog I linked to earlier, there is no longer any incentive for companies to campaign against Brexit. It's happening and making enemies in government will not gain them anything. In practice this means that business will quietly take rational decisions without shouting about them.

My twitter feed in recent days has been an endless stream of closing businesses - mostly not big companies, but 100 jobs here, 150 jobs there. Much more of this to come.

Contender It’s from these guys glamlondon.com/ but I bought it via their Amazon Marketplace shop which for some reason has more range.

House of Lords to be moved permanently to York...

There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year.

And bigger firms will up and leave and small businesses go bankrupt. The wonderful trade deals with the USA will still be ten or more years off.

Eventually the gilt will wear off and it will be shown to be cheap base metal underneath. After all, in the end it was impossible to find anyone who had voted for Maggie Thatcher, but since she was in power for 11 years, someone must have done.

I am assuming (and hoping too) that business owners will quietly stop sending cheques to the Conservative Party. Maybe fail to renew membership.

we will not be a rule taker

Pure demagoguery.

(Elements - thank you! Off to order one some)

Sorry for derailing, folks.

SJ's pronouncement was just jaw-dropping. He really hasn't a clue.

Quote from the Chemical Industries Association (on the BBC website):

"And the Chemical Industries Association said: "The industry continues to support regulatory alignment with our European counterparts, which represents the largest single market for our products." "

Brexit will be like the Iraq war in future, a majority backed that, but everyone now remembers being against it.

....some of us can say that we went on the march against the war (bloody cold day it was in Glasgow too!)

I can say I marched against the war in London, and against brexit.

The two biggest marches held in the UK.

The majority were for both of these things though.

Boris to send the Lords north to York It is sort of reassuring that the Conservative and Cummings are so culturally blind. York may be geographically north but culturally it is a million miles away from Sedgefield and all the other Brexit towns the Tories gained. Middle class, relatively affluent (though with pockets of deprivation) and full of hipster bars and restaurants. So the posh Lords get a chance to spend time in posh York?

Add to that there may be derelict government owned land by the railway available to build a second chamber (Why has it not been used for homes already?) but York’s infrastructure is creaking under the weight of tourism and a weekend influx of hen and stag parties from all over the north who spend Saturdays binge drinking. Room rates rocket and hotels already have a problem reconciling the needs of tourists and crowds of rowdy drunks. It might be funny to think how the Lords might fit in with a middle class hipster demographic, Japanese and American tourists and the rowdy drunk hens and stags but how much is it going to cost to put them up and what is the point?

Of course York could follow the lead of many towns and make being a rowdy drunk difficult on their streets but guess where they come from?

Well York is a pretty remain place with decent(ish) fast trains to London. The Lords and Ladies should feel fairly comfortable there.

Added to which there are plenty of politics students to intern there.

They won't send the Lords to York, it'll be talked about but won't happen.

*Lords to York?
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I'm glad our posts are being ( partially) listened to though!

Didn't we suggest repeatedly three years ago that the whole of WM should moved up North. We suggested Stoke or similar (?). Also I remember suggesting it should sit in the round to be less adversarial (childishly combative) and others suggested this too.

Meanwhile ...chancellor on the evonomy

(But also agree York isn't the fight choice.)

They won't send the Lords to York, it'll be talked about but won't happen

Agree, sounds like his garden bridge idea or water canon.

With all that is wrong in the UK, let's spend 100s of millions on a new 2nd chamber :(

I am assuming (and hoping too) that business owners will quietly stop sending cheques to the Conservative Party. Maybe fail to renew membership.
I doubt it, because the whiff of being labelled 'socialist' is so repellent to them. This , in which Gyles Brandreth visits the streets of Guildford to ask people about policies, as opposed to parties or personalities, demonstrates just how tribal some voters are in their thinking.