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What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

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Pumperthepumper · 15/12/2019 17:42

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please Flowers

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lonelyplanetmum · 21/12/2019 18:10

Where BTL means Built to Last and not Buy To Let.

Absolutely agree with Hate on this. (So do the EU Commission.)

With the individual members support they have ratified some "right to repair" protections. This means manufacturers must design longer-lasting products and make spare parts readily available to increase longevity and reduce waste. It's excellent.

After 31 Jan we are not endorsing EU protections- we couldn't with this one anyway as we prefer the USA route. Which means unregulated, cheaper more disposable products.

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 18:10

Quite frankly LQ I do not see people living within their environmental/modified capital/socialism political means as a disaster. At All. If i sound too Green, that's great, because I am - well before the creation of the Green Party - therefore this leopard doesn't change her spots.

Brexit may be viewed by many as a retrograde step backwards, and in many ways it is; my own personal view is that a step backwards often leads to more steps forward. So the Total Sum=Progressive.

As an Environmentalist, I saw the opportunity that Brexit can give on many levels, to forward the changes required. If the UK can form a new, environmentally progressive Model, I'm really down for that.

I can see that this view is very much open to criticism, so I don't propose it as the Total UK Model - but as an integral part of the new state that we have this unique opportunity to create.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2019 18:18

Hi again Hatels! Sure the UK "could" do all these things in regard to the environment but it wont.
Instead we will lower standards across the board to undercut the EU & seek more world trade, europe is about to become our competitor!

TheABC · 21/12/2019 18:27

Does anyone know what the Government proposes to do for the environment?

Johnson skipped the climate debate so I got the impression he did not really care about the subject.

Voila212 · 21/12/2019 18:59

So people voted for Brexit to have less stuff and because they are concerned about the environment? Funny I didn't read that between the ' to protect our borders or to make Britain great again'. Not that I don't agree with you Hatels, I think more has to be done and maybe Brexit will be an unintentional consequence of being good for the environment but I don't think that is the reason most voted for it.

jasjas1973 · 21/12/2019 19:14

I lived in SA as sanctions came to an end, the SA's tried making "stuff" it was awful, terrible and broke!
What happened was the wealthy could afford to import on the black market what they wanted and everyone else went without or bought crap.

We are not going to start making "things" we don't have the raw materials, production line machinery, the skills, the labour or the designs.

People need to realise why we joined the Common Market in the first place.

AuldAlliance · 21/12/2019 19:31

My great-grandfather, whose grandfather had worked in the shale mines, a godawful job, set up an industrial plant in 1907 which produced high-quality goods. It continued to do so through both world wars, fighting off competition from Germany and elsewhere after WW2 because my grandfather, who had to take over at 21 when his father died suddenly, had been canny enough enough to diversify while remaining extremely competitive and still manufacturing excellent products.
They were used throughout Scotland, in the Forth Road Bridge, the QE2 and the N. Sea oil industry.
He was known as one of the best employers in that area of Scotland and his workforce knew he had their backs at all times.

Like much of Scottish industry, it was trashed during the Thatcher years and my father, who is 6'4 and built like a brick shithouse, still gets upset when he speaks about the skilled workers they had to lay off and the devastating effects on the community.

We won't get manufacturing like that back in a hurry. It requires training, infrastructure, skills and a mindset that those currently in power scorn.

yellowallpaper · 21/12/2019 19:42

Completely stupid thread, because no one knows what the genuine benefits of leaving the EU are. So far it's all sound bites and speculation. We can hope things improve, but that's about it.

AuldAlliance · 21/12/2019 19:49

Phew. Someone clever has set us all straight.

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 20:04

Well thanks to all for posting in the 'spirit' of post-B and finding ways to move forwards. I get all the 'concerns' posted here - but I don't 'buy into' the rhetoric/viewpoint that now we aren't (or soon to be ex-EU) we now are selling our everything to the US; of course vigilance must prevail here, to ensure it doesn't happen, beyond the 'normal' parameters.

Business-ownership and the nationality of owners and lobal/Regional HQs does change hands/locales more often than we might assume.

Anyways, my perspective on a post-Brexit Uk certainly wasn't found on the side of a bus (unless you regard the Human Bees sticking themselves to JW's Campaign Bus as the literal understanding) and nor do I think that all or many Leave voters considered it in their reasoning.

But some did, like myself - but that wouldn't be surprising as people who voted Leave in the Ref, and elected our current Conservative Govt in the recent GE are not an homogeneous group, just various people who had just one thing in common.

ListeningQuietly · 21/12/2019 20:10

Hate
What is your view on the UK allowing a key, large, British employer
being sold to a US private equity tax dodging firm?

Parker231 · 21/12/2019 20:24

Trade wise, if the UK is able to strike deals before December 2020 (and if there isn’t and there is a no deal Brexit all hell will break out) will make goods and services more expensive, in part due to the Most Favoured Nation policy and we also we won’t have the privileged terms we currently enjoy.

ListeningQuietly · 21/12/2019 20:30

"striking a trade deal"
is not like striking a match

Peregrina · 21/12/2019 20:42

You would think a Leaver could tell us what they hoped to see though. Even if we don't think it's likely to happen.

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 20:47

My view on that, LQ is that I would rather it didn't happen, however it is not at all unusual.

Sometimes, as part of my job, I research data regarding Large Business ownership and HQ location - it is constantly changing. Although I would have expected many large companies to leave our shores and HQ elsewhere, post-Ref - whilst some have, more have actually based themselves here.

They obviously know something that neither you nor I do.

ListeningQuietly · 21/12/2019 20:52

My view on that, LQ is that I would rather it didn't happen, however it is not at all unusual.
Because the UK has shite rules about overseas ownership of key assets
no other country is so weak

They obviously know something that neither you nor I do.
Yup, which lawyers and accountants will launder that cash

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 20:52

But pere I have said a few things that I hope will happen - from the trivial to the major, with a dollop of Purple Passport creativity.

Is there an answer or response to something in particular, specifically, that you are seeking that will raise the 'veil' for you?

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 21:04

Maybe well so LQ - but now the UK Govt has laid itself out for scrutiny isn't it now our place to ensure that these sort of 'behaviours' are no longer as acceptable as they may well have been before. Please allow me a little snort that the Uk is the weakest country in regards to tax evasion and offshore investing. Not faultless at all, but really not the worst.

Now we could try and block this Govt at every twist and turn, which would serve as being just an irritant that could be anti-productive.

Or we wait, hold fire, gain knowledge and ensure that we move our capitalist economy towards one with more to gain by incorporating equanamity, equality and environmental prioritization as integral.

Just sayin....

Peregrina · 21/12/2019 21:42

I am sure that there are plenty of countries where tax evasion is rife. It's just that the UK considered itself so superior.

As to what people actually want to see - the day after the Referendum, the BBC found someone who said she would be angry if there wasn't more money for the NHS. I wish they could keep going back to her to ask her how her local NHS services are faring.

ViveLEntenteCordiale · 21/12/2019 21:51

Am looking forward to a shit ton of expensive bureaucracy so that I can continue living in the EU country I moved to 15 years ago.

Can confirm I haven't yet died from having a plug in my bathroom (though sometimes the thought of electrocution by toothbrush is appealing).

I'm fantasising that a Bill will be passed by the EU to identify leave and remain voters by a stamp in their passports. It would automatically charge leave voters £10,000 for a visa to visit the EU (it would be free for remain voters of course) 🇪🇺

ChrismArseDarkly · 21/12/2019 21:59

I don't 'buy into' the rhetoric/viewpoint that now we aren't (or soon to be ex-EU) we now are selling our everything to the US; of course vigilance must prevail here, to ensure it doesn't happen, beyond the 'normal' parameters.

What on earth does this mean? What 'normal parameters'? And how exactly is 'vigilance' supposed to stop Johnson and Co, with that massive majority, flogging off everything the US asks for?

ListeningQuietly · 21/12/2019 22:04

London is the WORLD CAPITAL of offshore capital and money laundering

UK registered LLPs are the method of choice for crooks the world over

UK Commonwealth dodgy company registers are a crooks paradise

UK Companies house does no checks at all on what is in the numbers that are submitted to them

I've just walked away from somebody who presented me with
Companies House accounts that said they were dormant with a Ltd Co shareholder
HMRC accounts that showed a huge profit and four shareholders
neither UK Government body spoke to the other

HateIsNotGood · 21/12/2019 22:46

yes indeed LQ, I too find such similar things with regards to Govt depts linking up their info. i agree with you. But I have also found that the data-linking is increasing, so whilst quite a few from top to bottom fear it, those like me (conscientious poor) who follow and know the 'rules' we need to, don't fall foul and therefore have no fear of this data-link 'creep'.

I personally would be strongly advising any client that presented contradictory info to HMRC and Companies House that they'd better be sorting that out pretty sharpish, or the might learn the hard way. And don't come cryin' to me.

ivykaty44 · 22/12/2019 07:19

Listening seems money laundering isn’t something that concerned and many have no idea if the Russian connection and why they are funding so much

theunknownknown · 22/12/2019 12:19

Buying an electric toothbrush or shaver in my local supermarket that I don't have to then buy a 'visitor to the UK' plug adaptor in order to use it. A cheapish toaster that fits UK sliced bread sizes. And whilst I'm on the subject - maybe save a few forests by having instruction manuals in English, and maybe 1 or 2 other relevant languages
Is this it? Is this seriously it?
'kin hell