Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?

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Speaker Bercow is gone.

Speculation that Johnson is parachuting into Rutland.

Rumours that the Brexit Party won't contest the election.

A new speaker to be elected on Monday.

Parliament to dissolve next week.

Brexit? Oh we've forgotten that until Friday 13th...

Aren't BXP candidates expected/required to fund themselves ?

core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories

Mistigri: I've been banging this drum for about 3 years.

So have I. I am also fed up with the way that the BBC always goes and finds elderly working class voters for a Leave soundbite. Come to a village near my town and find a comfortably off Tory with plummy vowels instead for your soundbite.

For me it is about weighing up the severity and finality of an extreme hard right Brexit vs self-ID the effects upon women, especially the less well off

I share many of the feminist concerns about self-ID, but I do wonder to what extent the issue is being used consciously for wider and more sinister political objectives.

I have generally avoided the debate on Mumsnet because of the willingness of "feminists" to get into bed with anti-trans people who also have an anti-woman agenda, who have a history of dabbling in extremism and/or who have a willingness to share a platform with the far right in pursuit of their own narrow agenda. Your enemy's enemy is not necessarily your friend.

All of the main parties have skeletons when it comes to women's issues, but when you look at the current cabinet and their person history with regard to women's issues, it's pretty obvious where the clear and present danger lies.

I absolutely support Cherry on this issue, and on most others tbh (though I'm an anti-nationalist). But using the trans issue to claim that the Tories are the party for women is genuinely creepy.

Exclusive: After 16-month investigation, Met Police refer Vote Leave to the CPS for possible criminal charges. But will the timing of the election mean further delay?

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/johnson-and-cummings-under-fire-police-hand-criminal-evidence-vote-leave-prosecution-agency/

Peregrina: tbh the only Northern Brexiters I've met (if the north midlands counts as north) were pretty comfortably off.

My ILs are among the few working class folks in their U3A group and also among the few remainers. All the plummy middle-class pensioners are Brexiters.

Of course there are also working class Brexiters, but in northern towns the core Brexit voter is still older and wealthier than the average voter.

Exclusive: After 16-month investigation, Met Police refer Vote Leave to the CPS for possible criminal charges. But will the timing of the election mean further delay?

My prediction: this will come to precisely nothing. It will get sat on unless the media run with it, and they won't.

Well my Cousins who are very very Brexit - are "Thatcher working class" eg.bought their Council house but still go to the Working Mens club. Used to be South East now live in the Midlands or South East.

Yes, the North Midland Brexiters I know, having lived there, albeit 30 years ago now, are Tory voting and Comfortable.

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Exclusive:

Boris Johnson has abandoned the threat of a no-deal Brexit in the Conservative manifesto

He will instead pledge to get his deal over the line 'immediately' after the election

It's being framed to appeal to liberal voters

The Times can also disclose that Boris Johnson will not include a fiscal rule in the Tory manifesto

Comes as the Tories are poised to breach current fiscal rule next week

There's concern among some ministers about scale of public spending spree

The manifesto will be fully costed this time.

The Tories are keen to avoid the home goal of the 2017 manifesto which was uncosted, leaving opposition parties to fill in the blanks

It blunted attacks on Labour’s economic record

Unsurprisingly there's a big focus in the Tory manifesto on the cost of living

The Times has been told that the manifesto will include a commitment retain the fuel duty freeze

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/191e9d8c-fcf7-11e9-837f-79f312a00fbd
Boris Johnson’s manifesto will abandon threat of a no-deal Brexit

The Tories believe that they can use the promise of Mr Johnson’s deal to appeal to soft Liberal Democrat voters who have significant concerns about the impact of a second referendum.

Tory / LD seats are more of a threat to the Tories than Tory / Labour seats.

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
This fascinating. In multiple TV interviews y’day Johnson kept referencing ‘One Nation’ Conservatism. PM trying to put foot back onto centre ground to appeal to liberal Cons & stop bleed to LDs, against backdrop of a possibly very serious Brexit party problem for Johnson #GE2019

I've noticed this too.

Yet it's the One Nation Tories who Johnson either slung out or left of their own accord.

It's a wholesale con.

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Has No10 just ended a revolutionary new source of cleaner energy to maximise its chances of winning three marginals? The energy industry think so.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/10262859/minsters-running-scared-frack-ban/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Fracking for shale gas is banned in Britain over earthquake fears

Sources claimed ministers made the panicked decision so as not to upset voters in a series of Tory target seats where fracking sites are planned.

I think we are going to hear a lot about Bassetlaw to Barnsley, Wigan to Warrington. And maybe Cornwall too...

They include Rother Valley, Bassetlaw and North East Derbyshire.

core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories

Mistigri: I've been banging this drum for about 3 years.

So many of them in the 'l'm alright jack' category = final salary pensions, mortgage free, huge equity in their properties, cushioned by savings and inheritance.

People prioritise very very many different things when they vote

Or rather thats what used to happen...to be honest i dont think thats ever coming back

What incenses me is that even though quite logically people vote for a party which they prefer there will always be policies you disagree with

Apparently in this brave new political world of ours vote for one policy and apparently you agree with the lot

So anyone who votes on a remain basis will absolutely be counted as having voted for self id...anyone who votes on a self id basis will absolutely be counted having voted for brexit

(Do include any policies you like in the above paragraph, it works in many ways)

So fucking pissed off at this ...to be fair it probably existed in a small way, but now its blatant

micheal

Apparently in this brave new political world of ours vote for one policy and apparently you agree with the lot

So anyone who votes on a remain basis will absolutely be counted as having voted for self id...anyone who votes on a self id basis will absolutely be counted having voted for brexit

Id also add but you cant vote for a certain party because they dont 100% match your own views, ive seen a lot of that lately

I think people will prioritise other things than Brexit - school and NHS cuts will be two big issues, which I hope will help to undo the Tory party.

Do include any policies you like in the above paragraph, it works in many ways

Maybe we should have referendum for every policy the Government wants to introduce

core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories

Look at a referendum map.... Areas that are typical middle-class Tory tended to vote Remain, working-class northern areas tended to vote Leave.

Leave versus Remain is more traditional, locally focussed communities versus cosmopolitan, metropolitan communities.

The core leaver voter working class

The core leaver voter working class

Meant to delete this half sentence...

Look at a referendum map

Maps don't mean much - because they show area, not voting density.

You need a proper 'constituency' level map - with equal size, to draw more valid conclusions.

That's why the Trump map that he uses to show his support in the USA is skewed because the large cities are tiny, but blue and the larger much emptier states show up red. They don't reflect the numbers.

@Oakenbeach In my personal experience the leave voters I know are all southern Tory middle class baby boomers very much in the 'I'm alright jack' category.

Maybe we should have referendum for every policy the Government wants to introduce grin

Fuck me!!!!!

Dont suggest that

I just want them to stop being stupid!!!! I don’t want any more referendums...i dont think we are very good at them

just

Exactly...and sometimes you just have to hold your nose and vote for the least worst

And for the policy that you may not like but think is the least damaging for the country

Rufus, it's about political purity which I despise.

There's a piece in the Times today by Janice Turner which talks about how Obama has challenged purity politics of the left which is very good.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woke-generation-has-created-a-cult-of-purity-f9cr25vj7?shareToken=2cc652592cd70aee144dfafb2ba8afe5&wgu=270525_54264_15726844542155_f94a547521&wgexpiry=1580460454&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

It talks about the trans stuff, but I think it's relevant to a lot more.

Obama was not rebuking young people for their passion, new ideas, or the freshness every generation brings because it is not mired in the past. He was restating the one incontrovertible lesson of age: life is complicated. The question is: do you want to stay pure or do you want to win?

Its somewhat ironic that Labour trying to do this for Brexit, isn't working for them. But that's perhaps a reflection of the problem too, with younger voters in particular wanting that purity. And Labour then not knowing how to respond to that desire and sell a more nuisanced position.

However we may yet see that the publics priorities are shifting away from Brexit and they are more concerned about other issues.

The authoritarian tendencies of the right are different but they are still there and they must not be forgotten.

In terms of politics as a whole there is a pincher movement of the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right.

Authoritarianism in all its forms is not good for women. And this is why feminists are getting squeezed.

I do think Leave COULD have worked along the lines of Greenland if we had half decent politicians. My DH voted leave because he naively thought the politicians where better than they are. He would vote remain now. How people can still trust the Tories after the last few years is just mind boggling.

We're not where obviously.

Ffs WERE. Stupid autocorrect.