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Westminstenders: Silly Season

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 07:03

It's that time of year again when politicians seem to completely lose their marbles in order to impress the faithful. And it is beginning to feel like conference season is increasingly an exercise in religious ferver to the party rather than considering what's in the best interests of the whole country.

Labour have got off to a good start before their conference opens, by almost starting complete melt down.

The Tories have promised to break from convention and try and over shadow the others, so that's something to look forward to.

And early this week we have the supreme Court ruling which could, regardless of which direction it swings, have massive ramifications for our democracy.

Big week ahead.

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flouncyfanny · 24/09/2019 06:40

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bellinisurge · 24/09/2019 06:50

My cold's a bit better. Grin That's it so far.

TheMShip · 24/09/2019 07:13

Wouldn't this be brilliant?

David Allen Green
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Sad but the Supreme Court streaming service will probably not do an Oscars-style split screen with the advocates/parties faces as the result is announced

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2019 07:15

That would be A-MAY-ZING! 😂😂

I'm not as optimistic now I've only got 3 and a bit hours to wait! Thankfully I'm busy at work so can take my mind off legal rulings by doing my own legal shit!

QueenOfThorns · 24/09/2019 07:17
  1. It has (just about) stopped raining
OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 07:21
  1. I managed to stay in bed and mostly asleep til 7am Shock
PigeonofDoom · 24/09/2019 07:23

Hmm, yes, I was wondering what deregulation of biotech involves as well. Getting rid of genetically modified organism regs? They’re not particularly restrictive, just more to do with safety. Regs on animal work? These are strict but you’ll have public push back if you change them and animal work is expensive however you do it. Clinical trials regs changes - there are international standards you have to meet to be taken seriously (and stay ethical!) and the industry wants to align with Europe. Validation requirements? Seems a bit “Wild West” to get rid of those. Great for biotech, shit for patients.

So what is it he wants to change?! Or is it just more guff, as per usual....

TheMShip · 24/09/2019 07:24

Luckily (?) I don't have any meetings this morning so I'll be listening to the livestream at work. I've got some fun stuff to do on a side project on anti microbial resistance. Normally I only work on analysis of human and mammalian model organism sequencing data, bacteria is a whole new world to me.

cherin · 24/09/2019 07:28

Good morning, all. Insomnia stinks. Remember, tea contains caffeine, if I could recommend to replace it with herbal tea...
Nasal washes are great for sinus infections. A teaspoon of salt in a cup of boiled water. Inhale a bit at a time. Splutter. Swear. See results. You’ll not thank me, but it’ll help.

Elderly care. Where I come from care homes are place of nightmare, or they cost 4500€ a month. And it’s considered morally unacceptable to move someone old from his home, family, neighbours.... So every family I know does the same thing. All of my grannies did it. You hire a in-house help, typically that comes from Romania/Ukraine/Russia, 1300€/m plus board and accommodation (a “live in nanny for granny”). 1 day off during the week end and 1-2 half days during the week when the family takes the shift. Most of the ladies are middle aged, not only nurses (my granny’s was a chemical engineer). State help comes in the shape of daily nurse and weekly go visit if you need medical support, but for general help a robust person that can do cleaning/cooking/look after medicines and wheel you around the block is considered sufficient.
That doesn’t require selling your house, it’s a combination of pension, savings and younger generation chipping in.
...unfortunately it has generated a real racket of Easter european caretakers, who sometimes get so desperate to find something else to justify a resident permit (Russia/Ukraine/etc out of EU) that they’ll marry the oldest fool they can find...

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2019 07:28

That sounds utterly fascinating, MShip. I wish I'd been encouraged down the science route. But I was more interested in English and drama. Slight mistake on behalf of my 16 year old self!

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 07:37

Dr Catherine Haddon @cath_haddon
What to look out for from Supreme Court case at 10.30- a thread

See plenty lawyers on here for detailed commentary on the judgment. But first effect will be political: what will govt and opposition(s) be worrying about this morning? What does it mean for what happens next...

Series recap: there are two high level questions: 1. Is proroguing Parliament something courts can make judgement on, (‘is it justiciable?’) - this also leads to qs about court’s role re both royal prerogative and making judgments that tread into area of procedures of Parl

2. Was it lawful? Depends on first q, but then comes down to multiple qs of their view on what is lawful prorogation, on what basis can it be measured, what evidence were they presented, what defence, etc etc- detail of judgment on that will be pored over for a long while.

3. How did SC split on this and what do they each say about those two questions....

What will govt be thinking about re result?

1. Do they have to un-prorogue and if so when? It’s not only the question of Parl coming back earlier than 14 Oct but also how it affects next week’s Conservative conference. Parl will be bullish, MPs would need to be in London.

2. What does judgment say about PM (even if they win, this will still be concern). Anything more on misleading Queen, ulterior motives etc will be difficult for PM. Might expect SC to be measured and careful in language on this. But anything opposition can jump on, they will

3. What might govt take away (what might other side take away) in terms of any possible SC involvement if, say, govt thought they had loophole in Benn act. Yes it’s different case entirely but everything’s connected in Brexitland.

4. What does this mean for govt political narrative re efforts to stop U.K. leaving on 31st. Victory or not they will stick to line on Oct 31 - but balancing that against respect for court’s judgment? Presumably govt have their lines ready for any outcome...

What does it mean for opposing side?

1. Does Parliament return? If so, what do the anti-no deal alliance do next? If decision means Parl stays prorogued then focus goes back to Queen’s Speech- what next move by govt will opposition parties be thinking about how to counteract?

2. How critical of govt is the result? This affects the pressure, particularly on Labour, about what to be seen to be doing, even if judgment is for govt. If goes against govt- and implies misleading Queen- do they now consider no confidence motion?

3. How much does this change use of SC as tool for political opposition? Regardless of result- will this case encourage opposition parties to want to use courts more as part of their armoury?

What it means for constitution?

1. Lots of debate regardless of result about the future role of courts, codifying constitution, parliamentary practices etc - but in first instance the SC answering this question of whether it is justiciable. What precedent will they set?

2. Even the cases being brought and the attention it has generated will add to question of who the constitutional authority is in the country. (See above on SC as tool for political opposition)

3. How does it affect future prorogation? This one is longer term. Perhaps if this Parl sticks around they would try and change how they are prorogued. But what would future majority govt do? What does putting anything in legislation look like?

4. Where is the next constitutional flashpoint? Another prorogation?Defeat on Queen’s Speech? Implementation of Benn Act? FTPA? ... the list is long....

What does it mean for Brexit?

We are currently due to leave on Oct 31 and the same four options apply as a year ago: deal, no deal, extend, revoke. Other than that, who knows what comes next....

FIN.... for now

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 07:40

I wish I were around this Morning, but I'm not, so that's that. I'll have to read about it when I get back.

Moanranger · 24/09/2019 07:48

Latest GE vote predictions suggest as a result of Labour vote bleeding to LDs, narrow Tory win. Well done for the train wreck of a Labour conference giving the next election to Cons!
Sorry, cannot link the poll, it came up on my FB thread.

tobee · 24/09/2019 08:03

Adding to the positive posts, wrt how Labour doing better when it's an open goal from the Tories, that works both ways;-

Why aren't the Tories doing better, on course for a dead cert landslide, when Labour are doing so poorly?

tobee · 24/09/2019 08:05

That makes no sense:

It should say

Wrt how Labour should be doing better

placemats · 24/09/2019 08:06

Re John Smith:

I was working with a couple of dyed in the wool Tories and they were incredibly sad at his death. It was a huge shock to all of us. A moment when we all got together. (They were actually fed up with the Tories at this stage and were considering voting Labour under a John Smith leadership.)

DadDadDad · 24/09/2019 08:10

I may be slightly misquoting, but Today presenter just said after the news they would be speaking to Ian McEwan about the cockroach, Andrea Leadsom. Grin

prettybird · 24/09/2019 08:11

Just commenting to dh about the wall-to-wall coverage of the aftermath of the Thomas Cook collapse (because there are only so many times you can see an airport queue) and he said, ^"What's happening at 10.30?"^ Shock

....musing whether the Government was quite happy to let the company go under at this time because it is a useful distraction Shock

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/09/2019 08:12

I wonder had John Smith been around for longer would the overton window have shifted so far to the right, I blame Blair for that tbh, touting centre right policies as Labour gave people I feel a warped idea of what Labours values were pre kinnock

NoWordForFluffy · 24/09/2019 08:16

I was just coming up to voting age when John Smith died (97 was my first GE vote) and I would've voted Labour with him at the helm. But I didn't and haven't ever.

TheMShip · 24/09/2019 08:27

This John Smith guy sounds fascinating. Before my time and in another country, I'd never heard of him till this year. Can anyone recommend a good biography of the man?

LarkDescending · 24/09/2019 08:28

Re this morning’s judgment and Oscars-style reaction shots, it’s perhaps worth a mention that the parties and their legal teams will already know the outcome. The draft judgment will have been provided to them in advance under strict embargo terms, so that any typographical (etc) errors could be pointed out. I know of one SC judgment where the list of suggested errors in the draft judgment was so lengthy that they had to postpone the handing-down in order to reconsider, but that is rare indeed! (In that case it was our opponents who were just sore losers and didn’t get any changes through in the end).

Hasenstein · 24/09/2019 08:49

Feel Sad for fellow members of the insomniacs club (although I actually slept through for a change last night).

Re. sinus problems. I always use my MIL's recipe of an infusion of camomile buds, towel over head and breathe in deeply. Also good for sore throats.

flouncyfanny · 24/09/2019 08:50

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