Scotland rules prorogue 'unlawful'

[cheesytoasties]

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful

We are living in crazy times.

[MysteryTripAgain]

To achieve what?

Referendum ruled out (opposition scared)
General Election ruled (Boris and Nigel will win)
Benn Act passed (EU not forced to extend)

So what else is to do regards Brexit.

[ProfessorSlocombe]

Remember that Scotland voted to remain in the EU. So there is always the element of bias to be taken into account.

With all due respect, if I was up before the beak, and I mentioned that the court needed to take into consideration their bias, exactly how far would I get ?

"The courts are biased" is the cry of the guilty.

[MysteryTripAgain]

"The courts are biased" is the cry of the guilty

Have told that ro remain supporters for 3 years now

[Tonnerre]

Johnson found to have lied to the Queen - which makes him guilty of misconduct in public office? Can we look forward to seeing him in the dock?

[Tonnerre]

Extraordinary that someone who "works in legal" can seriously suggest that bias would operate here solely because Scotland voted Remain. Other issues apart, we have no idea how the individual judges voted.

[MysteryTripAgain]

@tonnerre

Bias is everywhere. Gina Miller tried the same action in English court and lost.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

I work in legal.

Interestingly vague and American sounding.

[MysteryTripAgain]

@PerryThatchett

So America 🇺🇸 is a vague country?

[onalongsabbatical]

MysteryTripAgain crops up all over the Brexit threads with a pro-Brexit agenda.
Entitled to do so, of course. Just stating a fact.

[Babdoc]

How does Scotland have any say in the proroguing of the Westminster parliament? It’s surely not a devolved issue? The Holyrood assembly only has a remit to discuss domestic Scottish issues. Everything else is reserved to the U.K. parliament.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Thanks for @ ing me with a fake name. Saves me getting emails.

[DGRossetti]

How does Scotland have any say in the proroguing of the Westminster parliament? It’s surely not a devolved issue? The Holyrood assembly only has a remit to discuss domestic Scottish issues. Everything else is reserved to the U.K. parliament.

With levels of ignorance like that in the room, you don't need insults.

[Valanice1989]

An astonishing number of people seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker that leaving on 31st October will mean “we can all move on”. They have NO idea.

I can't believe people still don't understand this. There's no excuse for this level of ignorance at this stage - it's been well over three years since the EU referendum! If people haven't educated themselves by now, when will they?

[MysteryTripAgain]

MysteryTripAgain crops up all over the Brexit threads with a pro-Brexit agenda.
Entitled to do so, of course. Just stating a fact

There were more votes to leave than remain in 2016

498 MPs voted to invoke Article 50 in March 2017

After article 50 invoked, both conservatives and labour had manifesto that would honour the referendum.

Just stating three facts

[TheSandman]

How does Scotland have any say in the proroguing of the Westminster parliament?


Oh dear gods! do we have to explain this AGAIN?!

Westminster is the the seat of the UK parliament.

The parliament of the united kingdoms of Scotland and England.

[DGRossetti]

I can't believe people still don't understand this. There's no excuse for this level of ignorance at this stage -

Did you read Babdocs understanding of todays news ?

[CendrillonSings]

Meanwhile:

www.theguardian.com/law/2019/sep/11/english-judges-explain-decision-to-reject-prorogation-challenge

English judges have no problem whatsoever with the legality of the prorogation, and explain why in detail...

[Valanice1989]

How does Scotland have any say in the proroguing of the Westminster parliament?

Scotland is part of the United Kingdom! Why would Scotland have held an independence referendum in 2014 if it were already an independent country?

[MrsTerryPratchett]

English judges have no problem whatsoever with the legality of the prorogation, and explain why in detail...

English and Scottish law is different.

The less precedented something is the more legal opinions will differ. This shit show is brand spanking new.

[TheSandman]

Scotland is part of the United Kingdom! Why would Scotland have held an independence referendum in 2014 if it were already an independent country?

It's really very simple.

The EU is not a country. It is a union of 28 countries.
The United Kingdom is not a country. It is a union of two counties.

The Scottish Indyfref (independence referendum) - and the next - was on whether to BREAK THAT UNION between England and Scotland .

Just like the Brexit referendum was on whether to break the UK's union with the EU...

got it?

[jasjas1973]

Bias is everywhere. Gina Miller tried the same action in English court and lost

Not exactly, she was given automatic right to appeal to the Supreme court (not the court of appeal) why? because they knew that whatever they ruled would be appealed and it would end up in the SC in any case.

Amazed that you say the justice system is bias, that is the cry of the dictator throughout the ages.

The courts are the only thing that protects us from sinking into dictatorship.

Get ready for more "Enemies of the People" crap from the Express and Mail.

[TheSandman]

The United Kingdom is not a country. It is a union of two count r ies.

Not 'counties'.

[MysteryTripAgain]

Amazed that you say the justice system is bias, that is the cry of the dictator throughout the age

Opposition have taken control. Does that not mean that they are the dictator?

[DontBuyANewMumCashmere]

The United Kingdom is not a country. It is a union of two counties.

And NI and Wales!

[Epanoui]

English judges have no problem whatsoever with the legality of the prorogation

Actually that isn't quite the position. They have ruled that it is not justiciable ie not a matter to be decided in court.

A former judge of the supreme court, Lord Sumption, has said this afternoon, "I have no doubt that politically this was a disgraceful thing to do and what tends to happen is that you change the law in response to a sufficiently appalling example of abuse."