What do you want to achieve?

[Phoenixrise]

Just wondering what you wanted to achieve if the prorogation of parliament was stopped?

More time to debate a deal? But how long for? They’ve had plenty of time to come up with a deal, will more time really help?

A 2nd referendum? But what if the vote is the same? Do we spend the next 10 years in a continuous loop?

A general election? This would have the same affect as prorogation, just with possibility of having a new government in power after we left the EU

We need as much time for parliament to scrutinise the governments actions as we can get right now. Even if we were heading towards a no deal, and that was the definite plan, parliament needs time to explore and agree on no deal plans.

This is massive. There should be as much parliament time as possible to make it as smooth as possible, whatever the outcome. Just crashing around ignoring process isn't OK. Conference recess shouldn't happen either.

No deal had been the obvious outcome for a while now, yet they’ve still not managed to agree anything.

Also how much time should they be given, as it can’t be indefinite?

Enough time to pass legislation to take No Deal off the table.

Surely there needs to be a timescale, otherwise those who do not wish to leave can continue to block everything ad infinitum

There is a timescale. By 31 October. And our sovereign Parliament should be given more not less time to have those conversations. He's shutting down Parliament for 5 weeks . The maximum recent closure was 20 days.
It is disingenuous nonsense to pretend this is anything other than a ruse to limit Parliamentary debate.

If parliament wasn’t prorogued and we still had no deal would that be accepted?

I have been touting a revised WA with an NI only backstop as an orderly version of Leave that doesn't mess with GFA.

The prorogation of Parliament is just wrong in and of itself and I would protest to similar tactics from ANY political party. This thread explains why very clearly twitter.com/RuthFox01/status/1166780601896243200

I think there is a very viable legislative way to stop no deal, and there will almost certainly be a VoNC. Almost all roads, barring a couple of highly unlikely possibilities, now lead to a general election.

I think that’s a great question Phoenixrise

I take people’s points about leaving with No Deal.However if the EU say the only deal is the one on the table and our government has consistently rejected it, then what.
The other choice is definitely not leaving the EU. Which Patliment hadn’t be able to achieve either , despite 70% of them being a Remainers ( although they have stalled the process granted).

So how do we break the deadlock of neither leaving or staying?

Well it has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons.

And thank goodness I say.

The process was stalled by DUP/ERG turncoats not supporting the government. It is another Brexiteer myth that it was the "Remainer Parliament ". Tbe one voted in By tbe People, by the way. In the same way that there is a Brexiteer myth that only Remainers are anti No Deal.
I have explained my view that an orderly Brexit could be achieved quickly with an NI only backstop.
It is very likely that Johnson is not only trying to stymie anti- No Dealers, he is also trying to stymie ERG/DUP turncoats by creating a "we can live with this WA" that will get through Parliament in a "once only" chance.

If you're happy for BJ to prorogue Parliament and force through No Deal, presumably you will be happy for the next Prime Minister, whoever he or she may be, to prorogue Parliament and invoke Article 49.

If you are not, then you need to be protesting with the rest.

Like Henry VIII powers, it's all very well when the politicians you agree with do it, but you're also enabling those you oppose to use the same tactics in the future.

I read a tweet from Tracey Brabin MP where she said she’s concerned about the impact this will have on democracy. Many of her constituents have replied by saying they are delighted by the move and point out out that over 60% of them voted to leave. I admit that I can’t get my head around this crazy situation. I am starting to think that I now no longer know what democracy looks like.

I can imagine the pearl clutching and general attack of the vapours that would happen if a Corbyn PM did this. I hate Corbyn, btw.

Politics and sadly people are so polarised these days that whoever did it, there would be a furious outcry from his or her opponents.