So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

[Bearbehind]

This will be interesting to watch!

Heard of the GFA, but never read it until the word backstop appeared during the Brexit negotiations.

Uncle who served as soldier in NI in 70s was badly injured, but survived. What happened to the NI girl he was seeing at the time has never become known. Even her parents have no idea. She vanished and was never seen again.

So @MysteryTripAgain why the fuck are you so casual about the peace process that brought that shit to an end?

Are you even in the UK? Or just an early starter?
I ask because overseas posters pop on regularly with belligerent nonsense and, it turns out, they aren't going to be impacted by the No Deal Brexit they seem so keen on.

So it seems that Boris Johnson was lying about pork pie exports....just like he lied about kippers.

I wonder what will happen in a trade deal with protected name status?

Apparently Johnson never even mentioned the £39bn in his meeting with Tusk

What is he playing at?

After all, if there were troubles who would everyone think was responsible and blame?

That must lay with the British for proceeding with Brexit before a plan and solutions were available.

We don't need to leave on the 31/10, that is purely a political decision.

"After all, if there were troubles who would everyone think was responsible and blame?"
The people who physically do it and the people who created the environment to mess with GFA. GFA is a precious miracle- I don't say that lightly- and fucking with it is disgusting and dangerous.

He won't of course because a full department full of people couldn't with Teresa May. Why do people put so much faith in this idiot!

Read something over the weekend as to why Johnson has this effect..... his Falstaffian character.

his robust, bawdy humor, good-natured rascality, and brazen braggadocio

Makes him a very dangerous politician, so look at his comments on the BBC licence fee row Cough up he might as well have then said or else

@bellinisurge

Slightly missed the point. There have been numerous terror attacks in the UK that are not connected to the island of Ireland. Lockerbie in 1988. London underground 7 July 2005. Suicide bombers seem to be on the rise.

A no deal brexit may increase that activity and those committing such acts can hide behind the GFA and blame, or even claim to be from, island of Ireland?

Hopefully not, but someone somewhere will be thinking how they can use the Brexit situation to their advantage.

Suicide bombers seem to be on the rise.

What on earth are you on about? When was the last suicide bombing in the U.K.?

When was the last suicide bombing in the U.K.?

May 2017 at the Manchester Arena.

Point is that such extremists could use the troubles that have been forecast in a no deal scenario to their advantage. They make trouble and the assumption is that it is border related even though it is not.

Lockerbie in 1988

I think your knowledge of recent history is rather sketchy. No one bombed Lockerbie - the plane which blew up over it, was supposed to have blown up over the Atlantic, but something went wrong. Whether Libya, or more likely Syria, was responsible, has been debated ever since. At the time Syria was a stable country and the UK Government was out to get Gaddafi, so they blamed Libya.

Some people use terror as a weapon. It gains grudging "support " out of fear and/or oppression. It is not a uniquely NI thing. Techniques of terror vary. And trying to distract from the specific argument of Brexit by mumbling about the rise of terrorism generally is disingenuous nonsense.

And the use of terrorism is at least 150 years old. Imperial Russian Tsars were murdered by terrorism. Stop trying to fudge the arguments about Brexit fucking with GFA.

And the use of terrorism is at least 150 years old

I know

It is not a uniquely NI thing

I know that too. Point was any instability in island of Ireland arising from no deal could be used by extremists as cover to pursue their own wars against UK, but people might assume it is border related even though not connected at all.

As Peregrina points out the source of the Lockerbie incident was a spin up between Syria and Libya. Libya was blamed as less stable than Syria.

@MysteryTripAgain - A no deal brexit may increase that activity and those committing such acts can hide behind the GFA and blame, or even claim to be from, island of Ireland?

You are really showing your ignorance again.

but people might assume it is border related even though not connected at all

Only really really thick people who are completely ignorant about NI....... oh! That’s right.

Point is that such extremists could use the troubles that have been forecast in a no deal scenario to their advantage. They make trouble and the assumption is that it is border related even though it is not.

This is just desperate word salad. I have no idea what point you are making, if any.

The situation in Ireland is complex in some respects, but not in this one: the GFA enabled a fragile peace which might not survive a hard Brexit. If this happens, the authors of a hard Brexit (UK politicians, their mouthpieces and their enablers) will be culpable.

No deal is a red herring. The Irish border was always going to be an issue in anything but the softest Brexit. Even a Norway Brexit doesn't solve the Irish border issue (you need Norway + a customs union).

Just read this latest Johnson government bullshit:
"The official said Mr Johnson has been "repeatedly clear that parliamentarians and politicians don't get to choose which public votes they respect"."
Which obviously doesn't apply to GFA and the Remain majority in NI.

...so why did the Government tell the SNP that no safeguards (eg different countries within the union voting differently ) were required, because it was only an advisory referendum?

....unlike the GFA Referendum and the Indyref, both of which had statutory status

because it was only an advisory referendum

It ceased to be advisory when Article 50 was triggered.

The official said Mr Johnson has been "repeatedly clear that parliamentarians and politicians don't get to choose which public votes they respect

I think most would agree with that statement.

Which obviously doesn't apply to GFA and the Remain majority in NI

All UK member states were permitted to vote in the 2016 EU referendum. Overall result was to leave the EU with 17.4 million votes compared to remain with 16.1 million votes. Turnout was 72%.

GFA referendum, in which only ROI and NI voted, results were;

ROI turnout was 56% and NI turnout was 81%. Overall turnout was 63%. Total votes for GFA was 2.1 million. Against was 360,000.

GFA was a regional vote as opposed to a UK national vote. So how does the UK PM (whoever they are) say:

To the 17.4 Million who voted leave the EU, in a UK national vote with turnout of 72%, your vote is to be ignored in favour of the 2.1 million that voted for GFA, which was not a UK national vote and had a turnout of 63%

Obviously such a decision goes in the face of democracy. Hence the suggestion made by some to revoke Article is not possible. So UK must leave the EU.

A deal is the best solution, but due to the conflict between EU border regulations and the GFA it seems impossible to achieve. Even those borders on Eastern Europe that don't have a GFA type of treaty in place have border checks. Complete friction free passage over a border is only possible when the two countries have a FTA (free trade agreement).

So is that the solution? UK leaves the EU with a free trade agreement? Hence no border checks required between ROI and NI.

More nonsense @MysteryTripAgain . It was an NI vote (let's ignore shall we , that it was supported by a formal constitution changing referendum in ROI), but to dismiss it as a "regional vote" is disingenuous rubbish. The vote not to have a congestion charge in Greater Manchester was a regional vote. The vote to support GFA was an epoch changing vote which affected the mainland UK as well as NI. The "Manchester bomb" isn't just the dreadful events at the Ariana Grande concert. But you know this.